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Edited by duncanbishop24 04/26/2015 12:58 am
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Interesting. I have certainly seen a gold plated 1883 nickel before, but have never thought about how one would determine when the plating was done.
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That is a cool coin! I need one for my Dansco 7070 but I have no income as I am only 14!
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Personally I have doubts. When the new British coinage was introduced in 1816, according to Ruding, some people were gilding the sixpences & shillings in an attempt to pass them as the new & unfamiliar half-sovereign & sovereign denominations. On the other hand, the gold half-eagle was well-established when the Liberty-head nickel came on the scene, bearing a design uniform with the other gold denominations. More than that, coin scales were far more common in 1883 than in 1816, thanks to industrialization.
I myself have a gilt 1817 shilling, but examination shows it was gilded after being in circulation a considerable time. I can say this because the devices are worn without the plating over them being thinner than elsewhere. I am immediately suspicious of a plated coin with worn-thin plating, because it seems to me that, as soon as a gilt piece appeared in circulation, it would be either destroyed or saved out, not suffered to continue to pass.
Edited by publius 04/26/2015 06:00 am
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While there is no ultimate test the following guidelines can be applied: An original would be in high grade while the moderns will be low grade. Reeding may or may not be present. My example has no reeding whereas I have a reeded nickel with no trace of gold. A high grade example that circulated most likely will contain traces of gold remaining in protected areas. The example on ebay that you linked shows traces remaining in the ear and the cotton bolls. However, overall the nickel looks unattractive. Value added? Not really. Lots of low grade examples were plated and offered as Racketeer Nickels - More hype than not. Links to past topics may help: https://goccf.com/t/117741https://goccf.com/t/77829
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Quote: but have never thought about how one would determine when the plating was done. The best reason for not bothering to think about it is because there's no answer possible. We'll never know, of course, because there are so many imitations that the originals are only a tiny percentage of what's extant. They're been being imitated continuously since the very first one appeared - the story of a single origin is apocryphal - and there isn't even a way to decide which of these is "original" or not. Even if you did know exactly when the one you have was made, at what point is the dividing line between "original" and "imitation?" 1890? 1900? 1950? Well, we can deprecate the latter, I think.  And why do people think that they didn't use circulated examples for "originals?" Or that "imitations" didn't righteously circulate? "Racketeer Nickels" are numismatics' best example of paying for vapor. The best that the most knowledgeable experts can ever do with them is make educated guesses.
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My example:  
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I like those. Need one for my solid Gold coin collection. 
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The nickels used at the time the no cents Liberty nickels were plated were AU/Unc. and the plating was a thin gold wash which would wear off rather quickly on the high points of the coin on the same areas as a non plated coin. The coin on ebay the OP is asking about and matthewvincent's nickel are consistent with a period racketeer nickel. Modern fakes are usually much brighter and the coin is generally low grade and the gold plating covers the entire surface including the wear on the coin. Since there is no one who can actually definitively authenticate a genuine racketeer nickel the value is whatever a person is willing to pay for one which has all of the correct diagnostics of a period plated piece. I have a non reeded one that I paid about $15.00 for.
Edited by Gyrene7483 04/26/2015 2:26 pm
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I'd figure that the authentic racketeer nickels would have traces of gold gilt left, and they wouldn't have that shiny 24k replated look to them, almost the look like they've been polished.
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The most original ones, intended to pass as a $5 gold piece, were machined to apply reeded edges and plated afterwards. Much scarcer than the plain edge nickels, these tend to sell for $50 or thereabouts. From what I've seen, the others will tend to sell in the $10-$20 range. Of course, the story is priceless, and it can drive the price up.
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Matthew, yours is a very neat piece. I like it a lot.
Thanks for all the info guys. I'm not sure which story I like more, the Racketeer Nickel or the Henning Nickel.
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Quote: That is a cool coin! I need one for my Dansco 7070 but I have no income as I am only 14! Same 
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I agree ... there is no way to tell what era these nickels plated. As for mine ....  The guy who sold it to me swears it was made on a $5.00 gold planchet.  But he would let me have it for $1.00    I use mine to fill one of the empty holes at the end of my low grade (bucket nickels) Liberty head/ V nickel album. 
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Quote: The best reason for not bothering to think about it is because there's no answer possible... "Racketeer Nickels" are numismatics' best example of paying for vapor. It is a good thing I did not lose any sleep over the notion. I did ponder it for a few minutes, if only to give my mind a break from more serious thoughts.  Quote:I use mine to fill one of the empty holes at the end of my low grade (bucket nickels) Liberty head/ V nickel album. Looks good there. 
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While I tend to agree that it's next to impossible to ascertain just when one of these "racketeer nickels" was produced, this one is about as close to being original as any that I've seen in over fifty years of collecting. Note the most professionally produced reeded edge which retains much of the gold plating:    This XF-ish coin appears to have circulated and/or been carried as a pocket piece. About a third of the original gold plating remains.
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