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Lamination Or PMD?

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Input please and thank you,John1
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Hard to tell if there are any tool marks. Strange color compared to the rest of the coin so if it is is fell off recently. I want to say dirt got into the planchet but I am not sure.
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If it were a lamination, then we should see part of the nose ghost like in that area. But the nose area looks pressed downward?
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it does look like the nose is more pushed down... Hmm...
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There's a bit of displaced metal on the ear that makes me think it took a hit...

from a meteor.
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I guess I would expect more reverse damage if it took a hit that large. It very well could have been struck through - in this case the fields would have shielded the struck through area from handling/circulation and would have protected its original red color. I'm not 100% though.
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I want to say PSD because of the damage around the rim especially above trust,over by the L in liberty and again at the bottom of the bust on the rim but it's hard to imagine this kind of damage on one side but not on the reverse.Tell ya what ,I'm going to sit on the fence
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You can get this type of effect with a power washer with the spray concentrated as much as possible in one spot (in this case the coin) but I don't know how deep it will go. I tried it once to remove green slime. It caused the coin to laminate sort of in a crater with peripheral flaking and ruined the coin. Surprisingly, it did not change the color of the coin. With that said, the lamination may have already been in the subsurface of the coin. Maybe somebody with nothing better to do can try it and see what happens. I did it on a 1964 cent CONECA-DDR-001 that was pretty much ruined anyway that I paid $5 for.
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So the only thing that survived was the green slime lol
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...can get this type of effect with a power washer with the spray concentrated as much as possible in one spot ...



I'm kind of curious how you would know that a power washer to this coin would do that kind of damage.


I would have to assume you've power washed several coins in your lifetime...
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You crack me up, Drew.


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You can get this type of effect with a power washer with the spray concentrated as much as possible in one spot (in this case the coin) but I don't know how deep it will go.


Aside that completely new to me (but intuitively obvious) method of sending a coin back to the Stone Age, I was ready to think this an old lamination which has recently separated, hence the fresh copper visible. It's otherwise tough to imagine mechanical damage that didn't visibly push at least a little metal somewhere.
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CoinHuntingDrew,
Ya, I tried removing the green slime with the power washer from a 1964 DDR-001 cent that I purchases as a cull. Do they still use the term cull or an I an antique. It did remove the slime and created a Lamination too. I have not tried that method of slime removal since.
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There are many terms currently in use that I am unfamiliar with, therefore I am unqualified to classify you as an antique. I would like to know what a cull is. It would probably tell me why you purchased a coin to powerwash.
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I would like to know what a cull is.


I'll try to stop laughing at everyone else to give to a straight answer.

"Culls" are coins which really don't have much to recommend them to collectors, usually because of extreme wear or damage. Hence, the ones you test your powerwashing skills on.
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Thanks Dave. Sometimes this place does keep us in stitches. The business of numismatics is fairly intense most of the time, a little humor every so often is welcome to me. Captain Kirk said it best, "The more complex the mind, the more the need for play". lol
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Sometimes they can have a scratch, or damage that ruins real value for them. Usually reduces the value, a lot!
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