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Another Coin Photographer Down The Rabbit Hole.

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 Posted 05/09/2015  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep it here. I'm going to edit the thread title to reflect how the thread has morphed for you, and attract more readers who have knowledge relevant to you. Hope you don't mind my sense of humor.
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 Posted 05/09/2015  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still seems odd. A quick search on ebay shows several EXLEI adapters:

Exacta to M39
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-NOV...em3cf5f4a04b
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-NO...em5b0509c025
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novoflex-Ex...em56548ab820
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novoflex-EX...em58a18edac2

The EXLEI-K below doesn't have enough pictures to see if it's different from the above. I suspect it is not but I don't know what the -K designation means.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOVOFLEX-AD...em3cf02679dc

If yours is all in one piece, I suspect someone has added a helicoil and somehow modified the mount to have a smooth attach surface. If you look at it from outside and inside threads, do the M32.5 threads go all the way through and have no seams on inside or outside?
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 Posted 05/09/2015  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some pics of the adaper with my old canon point and shoot. SDave Does that title make me the Mad Hatter or Alice?


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 Posted 05/09/2015  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You Know what ray I think you are right. There is another ridge on top of the adapter that I don't see in those pictures. But the only way to unscrew it with any force would be to screw in a 32.5mm x0.5 object from the other side
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 Posted 05/09/2015  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, looks like there is an M39-M32.5 adapter on there. I use a pair of rubber gloves to get enough friction to tighten or remove such things.
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 Posted 05/09/2015  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The proper response now is "I am not worthy". It took very careful use of vice grips and voila! What a call.


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 Posted 05/09/2015  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent. I love it when a plan comes together.
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 Posted 05/09/2015  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
so the 75mm is great for medium to small coins but cannot get dollar coins into frame. With the bellows fully retracted I can get about 85% of a Peace dollar. The 105mm lens can do it all but my stand is not large enough to get the front of the lens far enough away from the coin. The most I can do is 14.5 in. so it looks like I'm shopping for a stand. I can't fit a huge base on my desk. I know ray suggested a B&L A microscope stand from 1 vendor. On that guys site he also had this stand. It looks taller (the pole is 12" tall) and is $20 cheaper. Do you think this will work? If not I'll go with the B&L A.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/31135273059...RK:MEBIDX:IT
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 Posted 05/10/2015  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First pics first with the 105mm lens on Lincoln Cent


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Then closest focus


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Then best try at Peace dollar. a larger stand would allow a full frame picture. The bellows is only 1/2 retracted.



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 Posted 05/10/2015  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First pics with 75mm el-Omegar lens with Lincoln Cent (sorry different coin)



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Now closest focus



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now best at Peace dollar. I can't get it to focus any farther away. (as predicted by Ray)



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 Posted 05/10/2015  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That stand may work, but I've never built a setup with that type so can't be sure. One thing to be very careful of is the "height" of the bellows and how it will fit to the stand. When I build setups with standard B&L A-Stands, I use either a Pentax Auto Bellows or a Vivitar bellows (Bellows System, not Triple Track) because they have a medium height from the tripod mount reference plane, and this puts the optical center of the bellows near the center of the viewing stage. A shorter bellows (like the Vivitar Triple Track) under-shoots the center, while a larger bellows (like the Canon Auto Bellows) over-shoots the center. Either under or over shooting is a problem as the stages are not that large and you will have trouble with coin placement on the stage. Your Novoflex is probably OK, but would be good to double-check before buying a stand. If you would measure the distance from the tripod mounting plane to the center of the optical axis, I can tell you if it will work with the B&L. You might ask the stand seller to measure the distance from hoop ring mount to center of the 76mm circle, and we can compare to see which type of stand would work best with the Novoflex. Keep in mind the bellows mount will add 1/4" to the height of the bellows.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just over 7cm from tripod mount to optical axis, assume 71mm.
I had already asked seller dimensions of non A stand, his reply was this
"Hello: Height 12", base 6" wide by 9" long. Stage plate appears to be 95mm (about 3 3/4"). Ring inside diameter, as stated, is 76mm (about 3"). Thank you."
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OK, that is good. The B&L A-stand is ~90mm, so with a 6mm spacer this makes you about 15mm under-shot, which is workable. You could always add another 6mm spacer or two if you want to hit the center exactly, so this will work well to mount the bellows.

Interestingly, I was at the local electronics swap meet today and bought a stand similar to the non-A you linked to, though it's only 10" tall (which is similar to an A-Stand). It measures 100mm to center of optical axis, but visually the stage plate is in a different spot. On mine, the optical center is at 180mm out of 240mm total, or 75% of total stand length. On my screen, the non-A dimensions are 54 out of 82mm, or 66% of total stand length. This puts the optical center 9% of total stand length, or ~22mm, closer to the pole. The pole is visually in same spot on both, but mine has more extension from height adjuster to optical axis, visually consistent with the larger distance in the base. If my analysis is correct, this would give you 78mm to work with, and with 6mm mount thickness, the mount would be at 72mm from the optical center, near perfect for the Novoflex.

I doubt the non-A stand is any more difficult to retrofit than the A-Stands are. Removing the hoop ring requires you to disassemble the rack and pinion system but it looks easy enough to work with. The one I bought today seems quite smooth and precise, similar to an A-stand. In maximum-height position of the rack and pinion, my stand extends another 2-3/8" (60mm) from the mount height, so you would still probably need to extend the bellows mount a few inches above the top of rack and pinion to get the required working distance.

Overall I'd say you could make either stand work with the Novoflex, but the non-A stand seems a better fit for both distance to optical center and especially for the extra 2" height, which will help you get the WD you need for the 105mm on Novoflex.

edited to add: I have purchased several items from this seller in the past with good results. I did receive an item that had problems, and he accepted the return, but then blocked me from bidding on his items. I have no issue with the seller, just wanted you to have this info in interest of full disclosure.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't hold that against an ebay seller any more. Selling on ebay is fraught with peril because the power is all concentrated in the hands of buyers. I block bidders for the slightest of provocation these days.
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So the bar you add to connect the stand to the bellows is a piece of stock aluminum bar, right not stainless steel. Would you mind giving me the dimensions of this?
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