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Ebay Purchase 1920 Uncentered Bs Or Off Center?

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Here is a coin that I purchased off of ebay for $44.00. Now here's the story ... It was advertised as an Off Center and based on my experience in a stamping plant for 25 years, I instinctively know the planchet did not fully enter the dies and was struck Off Center (or what is called Off Location in a stamping operation).

But in the hobby many call these Uncentered Broadstrikes. I've always been troubled by the definition, that if you can see all the design elements, it's a Broadstrike, either being Centered or Uncentered.

In some cases this could be applied but in cases like this, it is obvious that the planchet die not fully enter the collar onto the lower die. So what do you think? Uncentered Broadstrike or Off Center.

Also, look the coin over and tell me if you see anything troubling. I'll report upon what troubles me after I get the coin (should be tomorrow).

Oh ya, did I get ripped?

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 Posted 05/12/2015  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, now that you make me think about it....

To me this is a broadstrike, but I'm less bothered by the definition than you are. Odd, that - most everything bothers me.

I don't like the planchet condition of the reverse, and the multiple rims above WE TRUST. The date is odd, too, with the 1 off the plane of the 2 and the zero being so weak. As is the appearance (judging from the light play) that the fields aren't exactly flat.

Like the color, though, and it's a terrific strike.
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 Posted 05/12/2015  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it is an off center. The area at 5:00 on the obverse looks like the full die did not make contact in that area. Not making it a broadstrike. It was so close though. Still a great error though.
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 Posted 05/12/2015  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a little "ghosting" in there too.
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 Posted 05/12/2015  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys! I think I'm going to like this coin.
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 Posted 05/13/2015  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CGCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats a gorgeous coin with a great error...Looks like a Broadstrike/Offcenter to me, but, I'm not too versed in errors.
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 Posted 05/13/2015  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this also a 180 degree rotated die? Looks like a monster strike. Would be nice to know what a TPG grades it.
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No, it should be coin alignment.
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 Posted 05/13/2015  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking coin and I would say off centre too. The fields seem to show a roughness beyond that of regular die wear..or maybe its me. great toning be it natural or AT
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I';d call it broadstruck but whatever you call it it looks cool as heck.
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I would call it an uncentered broadstrike. A MS coin with great eye appeal. Beautiful coin
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Appears to be broadstrike but slightly raise up like die cap from the pictures. Interesting!
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I like it ken, but I'd like to think of it as a single coin, pre cluster error

Looks like you can almost drink out of that thing and for only $44; Score Can't wait for YOUR pics!
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 Posted 05/27/2015  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It finally got here last Friday after a long wait thanks to the post office. The coins is very nice. It has a bit of "cabinet friction" but I can live with that.
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