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RCM Coins Are Overpriced.

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 Posted 05/14/2015  1:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add McNickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
2015 Silver Proof Sets:

US Mint - C$64.74 (US$53.95) contains 14 coins, 7 of them 90% Silver.
RCM - C$229.95 and contains 7 Coins, all 99.99% Silver.

Total Silver per set:
USM = 41.85g, approx C$1.55/g
RCM = 63.16g, approx C$3.64/g

2015 Uncirculated Coin Sets

USM = 28 Coins @ C$34.74 (US$28.95)
RCM = 6 Coins @ C$24.95
US set costs $10 more but you get almost 5 times as many coins.
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 Posted 05/14/2015  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And quite frankly apples are different than oranges. This analogy is like comparing Miami FL with Out Back SK. That said you are correct the RCM is way out of line but people keep buying!
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 Posted 05/14/2015  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Need to pay for the luxury buying from RCM : send a mail to the "account manager" and do nothing. No shipping charge, no fees.

But yes, the coins overpriced and expensive (imo)
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It's a matter of volume. The US Mint produces many more of each set vs. the RCM. This allows them to "share" their variable production costs and significant fixed cost overhead expenses across a larger number of units. So, each unit gets a smaller cost assigned to it that its selling price needs to cover.

For example, the USM's 2014 proof set has sold over 420,000 units. Compare that to less than 15,000 for the 2014 RCM silver proof set. That's a better than 28:1 ratio. Lots more coins over which to amortize costs that are unrelated to their bullion value!


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Just don't buy any coins from the RCM then - simple solution to your problem. Would you go to a restaurant that charges you $100 for a steak? I wouldn't, but there are some who do...

I have pretty much stopped buying any numismatic releases apart from the ATB 5oz pucks from the US Mint. 5 oz of silver for currently US$150 with a mintage of around 20-30k per coin and 5 releases per year. Premium, mintages and annual spend are all within my limits. Plus, it's a nice series. It's 50% investment and 50% hobby. If you like it cheaper, then buy the ATB bullion coins - they come with a lower premium than ASE or SML per ounce (if you buy them immediately after release that is).
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I have to agree with omxfl. Just don't buy the coins.
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The comparison isn't fair as some have said. I've begun to be selective and also invest in bullion. Buying elsewhere has also became the norm for me since the mint's supply is limited and doesn't go back as far as I would like.
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I quit buying RCM NCLT Coins..........They need to get with the program and drop there prices....very greedy
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No, I suppose it isn't a fair comparison. But given the RCM has a monopoly on producing Canadian coins there's no way to compare apples to apples, I settled for comparing Ontario apples to Washington apples

commems raised some very valid points, RCM does have a larger overhead and smaller market, that most certainly justifies higher prices. I don't happen to think it's enough to justify RCM charging almost 4 times as much for a very similar product.

What I neglected to say in my first post, and I should have, my mistake, is that I don't think it's fair for me to expect to pay the same prices as US collectors do. Again, commems points explain that. But I, and apparently others, feel RCM is gouging their customers somewhat.


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Just don't buy the coins

For the record, I haven't bought any product from the RCM since 2008. Was just giving my opinion after seeing the price earlier today for Proof sets from the US mint.
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you can stop buying from the RCM...but the prices wont come down for sure...not with a record breaking profits that they made this year....Canadian coins are one the more beautifull coins out there....just buy what u like and thats it...
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Yes, the "art" value is impossible to quantify. Probably a bit of "patriotic" value in there as well.
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I have pondered buying coins from the RCM. Their products are expensive, but usually have low mintages per coin. Even with the CD to USD conversion, RCM products are expensive.

So do lower mintages equate to higher premiums?

I don't know. That's what has been keeping me from buying from the RCM. For example: the 2015 $100 silver Canadian Horse. Will this hold its value in 5 years or be worth spot-silver?
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So do lower mintages equate to higher premiums?

I don't know. That's what has been keeping me from buying from the RCM. For example: the 2015 $100 silver Canadian Horse. Will this hold its value in 5 years or be worth spot-silver?


Absolutely not. 95% of coins minted by the RCM in the last couple of years have depreciated in value. If you look hard enough you could find most coins below issue price.
10,000, 12,500, 15,000 mintages make no difference as there are more coins than collectors interested in them.

The $100 Horse coin will always be worth $100 since it is one of those $100 for $100 coins issued by the Mint. Supposedly you could always return them to any Canadian Bank for $100.
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So do lower mintages equate to higher premiums?


Not always, its more "demand" plus "mintage" that makes a coin hold or gain value, if no one wants the coin then it wont matter if the mintage is 500 or 50,000 or somewhere in between.

Buy what you like, there is no guarantee they will increase in value, but half the fun is finding out later that the coin you bought has indeed increased its value, but don't count on most coins doing this long term at least.
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First, let me say, yes, this topic has been mentioned many times. I remember once a member was a bit, lets just say his feathers were ruffled when I brought this up.

But no I agree with you, RCM coins over priced.

Most coins drop 50-60% in the secondary market, if you want a recent issue, all you have to do is wait a year or more and you will find them at a better price AND many times they are already graded!

I have stopped completely buying ANY RCM coins unless its something that connects with me AND it has to be 40% off or more. Otherwise I am not buying.

Now I want to make two points as I dont wish to beat the RCM down here and be negative as I realize many folks still are buying and collecting and I appreciate their passion despite what is happening. My two points are-

1- Most private/Goverment mint coins are OVERPRICED. Period. The mark ups are crazy and for the most part, the vast majority of coins will sell for less online. I have looked at various coins from various mints and I know this to be fact. Don't buy coins as an investment. Yes, I do agree, for the money that is put into them, they should at some point give you something back besides the fun and enjoyment of collecting. However, the vast majority coins dont do that.. and that brings me to point 2....

2- Coins appreciate in value and in some cases rapidly, due to the old supply and demand relationship. Even the RCM over their releases have some winners every year. Most mints do but based on my numbers for what I track and like, its a very low percentage. In some cases, I didnt even like those coins, they were not appealing to me. I have scored a few tho over the years and even recently.

A few last thoughts. As has been mentioned, buy what you like, what your focus is on. This way you limit what you are buying and are not just throwing away at coins that will end up dropping in price and then you realize you didnt like them.

Finally, mintage does and doesn't impact price appreciation. I have recorded plenty of coins that have mintage of 250, 500 and they plummet in price. AGain, its all about supply and demand.
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I tend to agree with the TITLE of this thread not necessarily the comparisons. Myself I would prefer to buy 5 OZ of pure silver before spending $125 on a 1 OZ RCM coin. Any RCM 1 oz coin with a very low mintage starts off way to $$ for what it's worth IMO. Just my useless $0.02
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