| Author |
 Replies: 20 / Views: 3,318 |
|
Valued Member
United States
278 Posts |
I don't collect this series and don't have them in any of my collections. I say this, because I know very little about them. This coin is my brother-in-laws and it's just been sitting in a box out in his garage. I wanted to see what others thought about it's possible grade, surfaces, and variety. I'm fairly confident that this one has been burnished (cloth rubbed). Thanks for any input and help.   Edited by razorblaydejr
05/18/2015 10:01 pm
|
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
4883 Posts |
Another common issue, strike is typical for New Orleans, and as with your 1881-S, the worry I'd have would relate to what this toning might signify (they look an somewhat alike in this regard). Again, my impression is of a retome after a cleaning way back when, but it's hard to be certain from images as opposed to in hand (even though your photogaraphy is excellent).
Colligo ergo sum
|
|
Valued Member
United States
246 Posts |
Agreed with Lucky Cuss as above,
I see it as UNC Details as well,
Seems to be re-toned from an old cleaning.
The fields on both of these last two you have listed seem to be somewhat mirror like? Is this so?
JMHO
|
|
Valued Member
 United States
278 Posts |
Yes peaace13, this one especially has mirror like fields.
Also, these two Morgans were stored together in a large ring box. The kind of ring box you would get when buying a large diamond rind. My brother-in-law wrapped them up in pink tissue paper when he was a child and they've been stored that way for last 20 years until we pulled them out the other day.
He, himself, would not have had access to any cleaning solutions. He did tell me he remembers polishing some of his coins as a child, but he could not remember he ever polished these two.
Hope that helps and thanks for the feedback.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
7390 Posts |
Now this one obviously is an old cleaning retone. I think what I'm seeing with your 2 coins is that they were pre gsa treasury releases and cleaned when they were found as was the norm because a colorful morgan was looked down upon and cleaning them was accepted standard practice. The reason I'm seeing pullaway on the 81s is because it probably had some amazing color on it when it came out of the bag.
|
|
Rest in Peace
United States
10625 Posts |
If this one was rubbed with a cloth you will see hairlines in the fields and on the cheek. It looks like it was a nice example with the reverse probably making PL and possibly the obverse as well.
Edited by dave700x
05/19/2015 2:23 pm
|
|
Valued Member
United States
278 Posts |
Is it the spotty nature of the toning that lends itself to an old cleaning? Sorry, I'm just trying to learn more about silver. Thanks.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1158 Posts |
What is bothering me is that the toning has obvious gaps around all the details and letters, which seems to indicate it was painted or rubbed on. Look at "1884" and there is an obvious square outline in the toning.
Edited by tkbslc
05/19/2015 3:50 pm
|
|
Valued Member
United States
278 Posts |
Quote:
What is bothering me is that the toning has obvious gaps around all the details and letters, which seems to indicate it was painted or rubbed on. Look at "1884" and there is an obvious square outline in the toning. I hear what you're saying, but this toning wasn't painted on. My brother-in-law got these from his Grandfather back when he was about 10 years old, or 1990. I just spoke to him to get alittle more information, and he remembers them being silver with your standard white luster. He doesn't recall them being toned with any color when he was a child. They've literally been in a case inside of tupperware for the past 20+ years in a garage. From what I've gathered, if they were cleaned, then it must have been before he received them in 1990. He also told me that while he did cloth polish a few of his Morgans, he doesn't believe that he did that to these two coins. I hope this information is of some help. And thank you for all of the comments and input that we've received so far. It is much appreciated. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
7390 Posts |
The main giveaway is the halo effect around the devices most prominently seen around the date, stars and lettering
|
|
Valued Member
United States
278 Posts |
Quote:
The main giveaway is the halo effect around the devices most prominently seen around the date, stars and lettering Yes, I definitely see this halo effect on the 84. No doubt this was cleaned at some point long ago. The 81 doesn't have this effect, although I'm assuming the pullaway you're referring to is that slight gap in toning around the 8's and some stars at the southern part of the coin? This indicated an old cleaning as well? Thanks again. |
|
Bedrock of the Community
Canada
11922 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
7390 Posts |
Yes that is pullaway and NO it does not indicate a cleaning, juse the oposite actually. Pullaway ia a good thing on toned coins as coin doctors cannot fake it so when seen on a coin with toning it I dictates that the toning is genuine (at leat in the areas where it is present). On the 81 the obverse dosent really scream old cleaning aside from the color but that's not a nail in its coffin per se, but look at the reverse, the fields around the eagle, see that halo effect again. That coin probably had nice genuine toning that was dip cleaned off in the 1950's or 60's which is why it has remnants of pullaway.
|
|
Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
This is pullaway toning:  This coin shows none of that. The "halo" is usually as it's been described otherwise, an artifact of cleaning not reaching the haloed areas. As for this coin, I really can't come up with an easy progression for how it got here, on one set of images. Too many contradictory bits of information here.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
278 Posts |
Interesting... but this is why I don't mess with silver too much. It's much easier for me to look at copper and tell if it's been cleaned/altered than silver.
I appreciate all of the information and with helping me learn something new. I'll pass this info along to my brother-in-law as well. Thanks again.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
7390 Posts |
Dave, I was talking about his 81s post in regards to the pullaway  |
| |
Replies: 20 / Views: 3,318 |
Posted 05/19/2015 11:40 am
