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Often Overlooked US Colonial Copper Coins

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Unlike many of the coins collected under the "colonial" banner, these two types of the year 1749 did see circulation in the colonies as they were officially shipped from England to Massachusetts as payment for services during the Siege of Louisbourg (some 30% of the mintage for the year). They are listed in the Red Book, but the entry is easily overlooked. Considering the popularity of Wood's Hibernia copper and Voce Populi (which rarely circulated) it's interesting to note the absence of these coins when discussing colonial and early American copper.

1749 Halfpenny
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1749 Farthing
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One of my go to copper dealers has several of these for sale. Interesting that there's not more said about them. Colonial copper is becoming more popular so maybe these pieces will get the credit they deserve.
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On this note (Beautiful coins EFLargeCents!) Encyclopedia of Colonial and Early American Coins by Q. David Bowers, is awesome, great photos and descriptions. I just picked up a couple of copies in a sale.
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I have that book as well as several others on Colonial/post Colonial copper.
Great reference.
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Gotta love those coppers!

Speaking of Louisbourg, I recently rediscovered this piece in an old cigar box I hadn't opened in years ...

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Wish it was as choice as your pieces there, EFlarge cents!
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I just flipped through my Bowers Colonial and Early American Coins book and found no mention of the 1749 coins. Did I miss them? If they were omitted, that's too bad.

Cool medal ExoGuy! Never seen one of those before.
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For some reason just not popular. Might be due to really difficult to find anywhere.
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HMS Mermaid brought in many kegs of coppers to New England many of which were Tower of London freshly struck half pennies. These are true American "Colonials" that originated in the mother country.
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just carl: That's just it, they are not hard to find. Maybe they are hard to find really nice, but that seems to be the case with many colonial types. The halfpenny of 1749 is listed as common by Peck while the farthing is listed as scarce. I see more halfpennies than farthings, but in low grades these are available and cheap in comparison to other colonial coins.
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It would seem this coinage has more (or at least as well established) of an american connection than for example the London Elephant Tokens, the Rhode Island Ship Tokens, and the Woods Hibernia coinage. I was also surprised not to see these listed in the Bowers Encyclopedia of Colonial and Early American Coins.
Very nice coins, by the way!
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It's certainly a big omission in my book that this coin and its history was not included by Bowers in his reference.

Thanks for all the nice comments about my coins! A bit of patience and luck paid off acquiring the farthing.
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It's certainly a big omission in my book that this coin and its history was not included by Bowers in his reference.


I heartily agree. With many numismatic books, there tends to be a "purist" approach taken. I'm a big fan of Bowers, but I was very disappointed by the fact that he omitted all the counterstamp issues from his new book on Hard Times tokens. Then too, there are similar inconsistencies in the book on Civil War tokens which continue to include some dated 1860, while excluding others.

Personally, I favor a more inclusive, eclectic approach when it comes to numismatic books and building a collection.
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