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 Posted 05/26/2015  10:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Orlando di Lasso to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello. Do any of you appraise coin collections or buy from people that are selling off their collections or something they inherited? I notice that some people are reluctant to sell what they have either because they're not educated about old currency and they think everything they have is worth a million bucks or they think you're lowballing them because you want to buy it cheap. How do you go about giving people a fair price and making them feel comfortable selling?
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 Posted 05/26/2015  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

And not an easy question. One problem is there are so many stories out there about people getting ripped off by purchasers. Coin stores offering less than half what something is worth. Then too, so many people just don't know where to even try to sell coins, stamps, currency, etc. If you stick around this forum many times you'll see posts about someone inheriting something and have no idea what to do. It is common. Easy to buy stuff but not easy to sell for the average person.
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 Posted 05/27/2015  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
People need to do their own "best guess" appraisal.
There's plenty of grading guides and pricing catalogs out there -- and free online.
People want the easy way out so they won't take the time to do a bit of research.
Then they worry that they might get ripped off by a buyer/dealer.
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 Posted 05/27/2015  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do it several times a week.

And your right, it can be hard sometimes telling some people
what their collections are worth.

Some will look at price guides and see the prices for the
higher grade coins and currency. They think what they have
is in "pretty good shape' and think they should be getting
the higher prices. When they have no idea how to grade
their items.

Sometimes I try to show them similar coins that I would sell
them for a little more than I am offering them. Other times
I might show them some of the grading guides, or similar
coins that are in lower and higher grades.

It is funny how some people think their collection is worth
much more than it is, and them some will almost be crying
tears of joy about how much we are willing to give them.
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 Posted 05/27/2015  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I am neither an amateur nor professional coin dealer; I don't buy coins just to on-sell them for profit. But I do volunteer for a charity that occasionally has coin collections donated to them; it's my job as "the coin guy" in the charity to do the valuation and attempt to sell the coins on their behalf. Sometimes I want to buy the coins myself, but more and more often these days, I don't.

There are three basic classes of people who fall into the "assume they want to rip me off" category.

- Collectors who paid way, way too much for their coins in the first place from rip-off coin dealers and mass-marketeers. They are in denial about having been ripped off for their whole lives.

- Inheritors who know absolutely nothing about coin collecting and who only know that Great Uncle Harry must have been rich because he was a coin collector, so his coins must therefore be worth a fortune. The fact that this is circular logic eludes them.

- Anyone who might have heard you, personally, brag or boast about the "great deals" you've made by ripping off other people. People will naturally assume that if you have no hesitation about ripping other people off, you're likely to do it to them, too. So if you must make your living by offering strangers a tiny pittance for their coins, then at least don't go around bragging about it to your friends and family, or on Facebook, or on Internet forums.

The best way to avoid having them "feel ripped off" is to be transparent about the whole process. Tell them what you plan on doing with the coins and how much you expect to sell them for (if that is actually your intention).

Another important thing to do is to avoid any kind of "you gotta sell it to me now" pressure. They have every right to become suspicious if you seem far too eager to buy. If they seem reluctant to sell, or they say they want to sell but seem to get cold feet or suddenly become sentimental when it comes time to actually start to part with things, then let them walk away keeping their coins.
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 Posted 05/27/2015  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is good advice Sap. I doubt I will ever appraise anything substantial but a good thing to keep in mind if the chance ever arises.
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 Posted 05/27/2015  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a dealer at the moment (was a part time one in the past), and what I do when I appraise for someone is I estimate what an honest offer from a dealer should be, and back off of that a little bit. Then I tell them that is about what they should get for the coins and that I would buy them at that price but not until after they get at least one other price quote from an established dealer. I explain that I don't want them to have any doubts that I am giving a fair evaluation. So now they can go to a dealer with a good idea of the value. If they offer less then bring them back and I'll honor my quote, if they offer more then they are free to sell them to the dealer. If they bring them back I know I have a little built into the quote to protect myself, and if they don't they tend to be happy because they know they got a fair price and/or a little more than they were expecting. (And frankly I'm usually perfectly happy NOT to buy them because I'm just have to go through the trouble of disposing of them. On the other hand it they have something I really would want I'll point out that item and give them a specific value on it that is noticeably higher than the dealers wholesale price. Often those items do come back to me, but the person gets more than the dealer would pay for it.)

I find this works pretty well except in the cases where the people have completely unrealistic ideas about what their coins are worth. Even then once they get two or three other quotes and they are in line with mine it may (but not always) soak in that the coins aren't going to be their retirement answer.
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 Posted 05/28/2015  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Orlando di Lasso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies. I haven't heard back from the people I did the appraisal from. I'm not sure if I should contact them again. They told me to write my offer in an email because they have 5 siblings and they want proof of what they're selling it for so there won't be any fights about what happened to mom and dad's stuff down the road. Most of it was folded paper money and nickel dollars, but there was a $5 Canadian gold coin from 1912 I was interested in. I offered them $50 over melt value which seemed fair.
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 Posted 05/28/2015  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing wrong with following up on your appraisal after a reasonable amount of time. As long as it doesn't seem like you are pushing the issue, no problem.
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 Posted 06/01/2015  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Orlando di Lasso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just an update. I'm going to pass on this collection because the owner is rude and impossible to work with. I'm sure most of you have run into this at some point. I followed up with a phone call and they said it would be disrespectful to the amount of work her parents put into collecting to let it go for a low price. None of the coins or notes are in holders, they were all just stuffed in a box. (I offered $400 for a 1/4 ounce gold coin and close to book value for paper money with lots of condition problems.) They will only sell the whole collection, and it's a lot of common nickel dollars, British pennies, Canadian nickels, and a few silver dollars and the gold coin. I think it's reasonable to establish some kind of deal if you're buying a large collection that's mostly common coins. They seemed angry and said they will bring it to a pawn shop instead. I'm going to pass and use my money to buy a paper money collection instead. Thanks for the suggestions.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add accordselux to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL when they call back in a week because the pawn shop offered less!

Drop it $50 for an *** Edited by Staff | The bad word filter is in place for a reason. Bypassing the filter and making the intended word obvious anyway is completely unacceptable. *** fee!
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 Posted 06/02/2015  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An easier and more forthright response might be "A good idea, but, before you sell it to the pawn shop bring it back to me and I will give you my original offer or 10% more than they offer, whichever is greater."

This lets them know that you are being as fair as you can be.
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I edited the word out. *** is self edited. The edited word is NOT obvious, it is completely replaced with asterisks. I did not use alternate characters, such as 5 or $ for S, to make the word legible. I'm not trying to bypass a language filter.

Staff note: It was apparent what you meant. No other word with that many letters would be paired with that second word you left unfiltered. Consider this your second warning. Argue this again and you will be done here.
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