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 Posted 05/28/2015  9:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
this one looks like it could be N-5 R4 to me. F-15 to vf 20? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1850-Braide...p=true&rt=nc
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 Posted 05/28/2015  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF20 details, obverse, ouch, copper-pan-polish shiny. Reverse is maybe F15 but for that business up top (strike issue or struck through, owing to the condition of the denticles?) As to N-5, I don't see the obverse marker (die line south of hair beads) but surfaces are worn. I'm sure one of the EAC experts will be along soon to provide a much better analysis than I can offer.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Celticsoul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will check out the attribution when I get home. Poor thing looks like it was cleaned with Brasso.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm ok with VF20. Hoping it might be much darker in hand. Compared to the N-5 on NGC Variety Plus, it's very close.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  02:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This seller is reputable. They say if the coin is altered. I don't know if this one is altered or not.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Celticsoul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although I first had my doubts I feel that this is an N-5. As paralyse noted I don's see the engraver's scratch on the bun of the hair or the die scratch on the N in cent as noted by Newcomb, but I think this is a later die state. This coin does have the characteristic two lumps on the leaf below the M of America. Here's an example from heritage that seems to be a dead ringer.
http://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cents.../390-20424.s
Now as far as grade. I'll say the coin has a detail sharpness of EAC 15 or VF-20 market grade. The coin has obviously been harshly cleaned. I'll have to net grade it to EAC 8 for that. Ouch!
This is a sad example of an awesome coin rendered nearly uncollectable by a well meaning individual. I'd almost be tempted to recolor it. Almost.
1850 N-5 R.4 15/8-
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Hoping the color of the coin is different in hand. When I blow up size of screen with my Mac I am pretty sure I can see that line under the bun also. For $13 I thought it was worth a shot that the pics made this coin look worse than it actually is. Seller describes it as choice circulated so we shall see.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EFLargeCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is one of the few Braided Hair varieties I know very well. The scratch from the bun down to the field is only really present on the earlier die states, and the full scratch (two disjointed segments) is really only visible for a short period of time during the dies life (this is die state 'a' in Grellman). As the striking progressed the fields got wavy looking. From the ebay photos I can hardly tell at all what die state this is, but my guess is that it is 'b' where the line from the bun is barely visible (though in truth it is always barely visible if at all). Won't really know for sure though until it is in hand with better photos. The date position looks spot on though. The weakness of the denticles has me leaning towards die state b, so you might not be able to see the line from the bun, but perhaps a part of it close up to the hair. A tougher variety for certain. Maybe a nice sulphur infused envelope treatment is in order?

Here is my example, it is die state 'a'. You can't see the entire line in my image, but you can see the top part of the line down from the bun (this line in actuality extends downward to about even with the bottom of star 11).


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05/29/2015 08:57 am
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very nice coin EF
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 Posted 05/29/2015  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF-20.
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VF-20
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