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Got this in a 100+ lot of Wheat pennies looks like it is in great shape.

1900-D-Indian-Head-Penny

1900-D-Indian-Head-Penny

So what would the grade be for this one?

Took me a bit to actually physically locate the mint mark that I didn't realize was there till I saw the photo.
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The Denver mint never made Indian Head cents. I'd say F-12
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Where do you think the D is?
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The D is located between the 3rd and 4th feather at the top of the head dress and to the left of the O in Of.
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Mikey , I think I just saw what you mean on the obverse. there's what looks to be a letter D in between the 3rd and 4th headdress feathers. but that's impossible. maybe an optical illusion ?
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I see what you're talking about, but it must be either a coincidental damage pattern or some deliberate post-mint alteration.

"D" die punches probably wouldn't have even existed in 1900 (unless some Dahlonega punches were still around, which seems improbable) as the Denver Mint did not open until 1906.
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No T-BOP it is there but when I saw it physically there after turning it in several different directions in the light with a magnifier it showed up but directly over the 3rd feather. How it showed up in the photo cleanly in the first place is a mystery but it is the same font as the D in United but smaller and it looks like a light strike. Has anything like this ever shown up on any other Indian heads before? this could be a very rare error.
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That is really weird.
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I see what you're talking about, but it must be either a coincidental damage pattern or some deliberate post-mint alteration.

"D" die punches probably wouldn't have even existed in 1900 (unless some Dahlonega punches were still around, which seems improbable) as the Denver Mint did not open until 1906.


Thing is after you meantioned that I looked up Dahlonega die punch on google and I saw a article on the mint which showed a couple coins with the Dahlonega D mint mark on them and they matched the D on my coin. So how can a die punch from a mint that closed nearly 30 years before be used on a coin made nearly 30 years later? Improbable maybe but not impossible. But why though and is this only on the 1900's?
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It is identical. But for no reason would there be a D there. I really don't know.
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One thing I realized after reading that page about Dahlonega the Dahlonega Die punches were used to alter the master dies. So somehow the dies were altered in 1900 with the D and if that is the case why? I'm wondering if this is a very limited minting which could possibly mean very rare. Can anyone find out if this D has appeared on any other 1900 IH's?
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Is the center "hole" of the D sticking up off the surface, or is it pressed into the surface?
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I hope you found a good one.

But I see what you are talking about and I can see the outline of what looks like a "d". I have Indians I better check for a mate. They are my favorite coins
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Is the center "hole" of the D sticking up off the surface, or is it pressed into the surface?


Earle42 as far as I know the hole of the D might be below the surface but the thing is the whole D is barely visible as it is unless you look at the coin on edge. But it is probably a miracle the camera caught the D at all I didn't even realize it was there at all till I saw it after I made this post in the first place. I may have accidentally found a previously unknown error or even a very rare coin that shouldn't even exist at all.
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When I first saw the D I wondered if it might have been from someone taking a metal letter punch to the coins surface. It is not hard to find counter-stamped coins. Since the D is below the surface as you say, this would indicate a letter punch could have been used. A coin die makes the letter stick up off of the surface.

It might be someone started to counter punch a name/initials into the surface and had second thoughts as they just starting to swing the hammer, The result would be a very light tap and a very light, incuse D.
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