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 Posted 06/15/2015  11:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Petrols to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
looking at buying this 1892 , but looks cleaned with a huge die crack
what do you guys think?

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 Posted 06/15/2015  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! A real beauty, not sure what that green stuff is (PVC?) but the coin could very well be MS, the luster seems great. Better pictures?
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 Posted 06/15/2015  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrols to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sorry its the only photos they supplied , I think the green stuff is oxidation in a die crack?
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 Posted 06/16/2015  05:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't appear to me that it has been cleaned actually, looks quite nice except for that large die crack.
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 Posted 06/16/2015  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrols to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does the Die crack affect grading at ICCS?
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 Posted 06/16/2015  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

From the photo, it is inconclusive whether the mark is a
scratch or a Die-Crack. The area atop the letters and leaf
are more consistent with a scratch.

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From what I've seen, die cracks have not affected the grade. I have a couple MS65 quarters and ten cents from ICCS with die cracks. Not sure if a 66 and higher would be affected by die cracks.
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 Posted 06/16/2015  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrols to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the owner of the coin says its neither a die crack, nor a scratch , and says its a "toning line" haha thats a new one
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planchet flaw with PVC?
Feel free to call me Will.
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 Posted 06/16/2015  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrols to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how much does the PVC damage detract from the value?
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 Posted 06/18/2015  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is not a die crack----wrong colour altogether---I have never seen one ever like that. It is not a toning line either----no such thing. So what you have is an unnatural mark of some kind caused by something softer than silver----could be anything ---PVC,plastic, glue,wax,paint. So this is environmental damage and it will be graded as such-----not a good investment because it will be hard to clean up without further damage.I would say damage like this brings down the value by 80%.A pity because it is such a beauty.
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 Posted 06/18/2015  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had a another look at the photos in HD mode and can make out a clear sign of restoration attempts on the right mark. The right mark is broken into 2 sections--the central green section has been removed. The green is not oxidization---maybe acetone can remove all traces. Pretty risky purchase and you will have to re-certify.
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 Posted 06/18/2015  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Had another look at the grade --- MS 62/63 $2000 X 20% = $400 value---pretty sweet deal my friend, but I am not an expert with this series. The decision is yours.
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 Posted 06/18/2015  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lambecolin is probably right again..

That line does have some disturbances in it and as previously said , could be attempts at removing it.
I see a few smudges along that line.

That is still a great 1892,.. and a fine addition to any collection.

If you're adding to a collection.... great..

If you're plan is to just flip it..then a bit risky..

Good luck with it...
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