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After quite some time I finally had the opportunity to check a monogram coin I bought quite some time ago. The news is good - I am confident that the monogram is that for Leontius. These are very rare and highly curious - debate rages on as to whether this is a rare variety of the Leo monogram or a seperate ruler. There is some hoard evidence that dates these monograms later than Leo's reign, but a couple of hoards a certainty does not make.

These pictures show the monogram but are from a very poor camera. Ive provided another angle to highlight key features.

Leontius
Leontius
Leontius

The obverse is not much to look at. The controversy could be easily settled by checking the name on the obverse but, as yet, not example with a readable obverse legend have surfaced.
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You may not like my opinion but that I think these "Leontius" monograms are way too similar to Leo's and are just that, Leo monograms. I'd be more convinced had they added a V from LEONTIVS (which could easily have been incorporated into the existing Leo Latin monogram). One would think a usurper such as Leontius would have made his monogram as distinct as possible, plus it doesn't make much sense (at least to me) to revive a design last struck a decade earlier and only change one thing on it.

I hope though that I'm wrong and that yours indeed is a Leontius. Would give me hope that I'd be able to find one misattributed as a Leo.
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06/20/2015 9:25 pm
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VK, the evidence is certainly far from conclusive. Ill present a couple of arguments for the attribution of this issue to Leontius over Leo. But hey, Leontius or otherwise, this type is still very rare and interesting.

1. The monogram being 1 bar off of Leo's - Well, the same is true of Zenonis, whose monogram is exactly the same as Zeno's except for an S imposed over the central crossbar, and Zenonis' existence (and the attribution of her coinage) is undisputed (not just by the female bust, but also because enough of her coinage survives to be able to work out the inscription).

2. Leontius Struck Coinage - 3 of his solidi are known. However, if you ignore these nummi, no coppers are known, which is odd because he controlled the mint at Antioch for quite a while (4 years).

3. The monogram not containing V - His solidi read DN LEONTIO PERP... the letters of which are represented here.

4. No Leontius coin has ever been found in a hoard from Leo's reign but they have turned up in later hoards.

Im writing to a couple of places to see if I cant find out some more information.
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