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Please Grade 1880-CC Morgan Dollar

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Ideas?

Thanks!

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This is my first Carson City issue!
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This poor lady has been cleaned to near death. XF details
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VF details. Still a CC!
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XF details The coin looks to have been cleaned as hair line scratches are noticeable in photo.
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Is it real?
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Xf details harshly cleaned
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dave700x. After looking at the denticles, it might be. I am unsure.
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I don't think there's a chance it's real. The obverse is a poster child for the "cast counterfeit" look, fuzzy and granular. The lettering is all wrong, and the date not much better. Note the long "spike" in the lower hair, roughly pointing at the first right star. That doesn't exist in an 1880-CC Morgan.

And look at the gap - or lack thereof - between the eagle's neck and left wing. That doesn't exist on Morgans either.

Counterfeit, unfortunately.
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Grade is FA-0 (Fake 0) -- a bad cast copy and they didn't even get the reverse remotely close to real.

I knew it as soon as I saw the mintmark but the rest of the coin is equally bogus.
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with SsuperDdave
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The first thing that caught my eye was the sink on the obverse at TY in LIBERTY. That just didn't happen on real Morgans. Next the date was way off followed by the stars looking more like they came out of a box of lucky charms.

Hope you knew this was a counterfeit matttheriley..
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I don't think this is genuine. E Pluribus Unum lacks sharpness and the bust lacks detail I would expect.
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That acid dipped looking surface is the biggest giveaway. Then the secondary markers d700 pointed out. Like if you saw a home computer printed $100 bill using the wrong color green. Same thing
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Ok, this is why I LOVE this forum! I did purchase this KNOWING it was a counterfeit. It weighs in at 25.6g. It is not magnetic, and it even passes the ring test. I wanted an example for my "black" cabinet to help me learn more about CC Morgans. I haven't purchased one, and I don't think I would unless it was from a VERY reputable dealer. I am glad I did, because I now know a lot more about what to look for in a real one, but I could see how even this one could fool a novice (read ME). Now, should I leave a negative feedback for the sleazy seller on ebay who is peddling these for $6? 111684244443

Thanks for your input folks, I hope you don't mind me playing a little trick on you all?

Matt
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Not sure what you'd report. Seller is in China, and the price was in Euros so the coin wasn't even listed in the US.
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