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1826 Over Lazy 6 Half Cent - Variety/Grade Ck

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I have some doubts about this coin being a C-2, R-3+ because of the presence of the additional 'lower' profile object under the base of the # 2 digit.

I scrapped around the outline of each digit with a porcupine quill preserving the patina and dislodging any possible deposit that one could falsely construe as part of the metallic image...

Additional observations/photos are forthcoming after some viewer comments follow my initial observations.

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In addition to obtaining opinions on the grade, please opine on the condition of the 'LI' insofar as it being the result of a weak strike, wear, or some other effect.


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mdpmedia great post and nice coin! Your coin is indeed a C-2. The tell tale signs are all present. The presence of the horizontal 6 that was effaced and repunched with a correct vertical 6 is visible at the base of the 6 sticking out to the right. Also, on the reverse, the tip of the leaf under the last S in STATES does not go beyond the S, confirming C-2. As for the mark above the LI in LIBERTY that looks like a hit to me that flattened out that area. I can't tell from your photos on the color and condition of the surfaces, but as for a TPG grade this has XF details. My EAC grade would be sharpness of 30 net 20 for the ding on LIB.

Also note that the date on my coin is impaired. It was likely struck through something and/or hit to create a flattened look.
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...mark above the LI in LIBERTY...


Maybe it's splitting hairs here but my primary concern has to do with the 'I' of LIBERTY and not so much any mark 'above' the 'LI'.

I can see a definite hit above the letter 'B' but this letter remained pretty much unscathed.

I have always assigned a 'fine' grade to Half Cents as long as the LIBERTY presents itself as being 'strong' and 'complete' with 'all' letters present.

Two unresolved issues linger:

1) If the consensus of individuals feels that the virtual absence of the letter 'I' is a result of some other factor unrelated to wear, this would obviously make me feel better and more inclined to accept no less than a VF-35 designation: maybe even XF-40 if I'm lucky...

2) On another note with respect to the # '2' digit should the lower flattened areas shown 'under' the raised base as well as adjacent to the outer-upper right part both be classified as simply MD or possibly some other more important and yet-to-be-discovered anomaly?

Please clarify both of these questions.

I'm simply wishing, hoping and struggling with building adequate justification to send this one in or not for PCGS to knock it down etc...

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Unresolved Issues:
1) I am 100% certain that the issue with the I in liberty is either 1) post mint damage from a huge hit or 2) struck through foreign object. There is zero possibility of it being some kind of die error or different die, as everything else about the die lines up with what is known about this variety, including a repunched star 13 and aforementioned horizontal 6. Also, using LIBERTY to grade classic head Half Cents is not a great way of grading them. LIBERTY shows up in full almost down to G grades. The high points are the lowest hair curls and the hair above liberty. I'm seeing wear consistent with TPG XF. But I'm also seeing an XF details coin (my opinion).

2) That flattened area can be from a hit making the 2 look like it was recut or some such. It is absolutely not some kind of yet to be discovered anomaly. Why can I say that? Because your coin is die state 2 or 3 (I can't tell with any certainty from your photos), the later die state 4 of the obverse is known to have a two star rim break ( Cud) through stars 4 and 5. If it was something new, it almost certainly would have been observed by now, least of all in the die state 4 coins known and reviewed for reference literature. Ronald Manley has an excellent book on Half Cent die states that will cover this. For comparison just look at my 1826 C-2 (posted in the Half Cents days of thread). The date is way messed up compared to what a regular one would be, but it is not some rare die state, its just a poorly struck up date.

If you want opinions on whether or not to send this in, you are going to need better photos showing the color and surfaces. I'm leaning towards don't send it in, but I must impress upon you that this coin is EXCELLENT and a rare variety. I would proudly keep it in my collection.


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