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While looking for a counterfeit Morgan to post on another thread, I pulled the following, contemporary counterfeits from storage. I thought they might make for some interesting discussion ... My favorite is this brassy 1833 with arrows Liberty Seated Half (9.5 grams):   Might there be an S mintmark? Check out this close-up pic:  Here's a brassy colored 1858 Liberty Seated dime (1.74 grams):   Here's a counterfeit 1860 Trime (0.7 grams):   Finally, a counterfeit 1864 (?) Trime (0.5 grams):   Edited by ExoGuy 07/08/2015 8:19 pm
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What a great collection! I've always wondered about the kind of folks who faked this small change, how they went about it, and the economic situation that would make it worth someone's while.
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Thanks, Philly. These are all I have, dating in the mid-1800's, thereabouts. These are about to go to a new home, to a collector who is specializing in them. Thought I should take some family pics and try honing my photo skills before these wander away.
I still have a number of Bust Halves and some early 20th century counterfeits that will make good fodder for future posts. It's been my experience that the fakes from the mid-1800's tend to be scarcer to find than the earlier Bust Halves.
I believe that the 1833 half is one of but two known. The arrows at the date suggest that it was made in the 1850's, probably just prior to the Civil War. Both this piece and the dime, being of brass composition, may well have been silver plated at their outset. That would perhaps explain the scratches on the dime. No evidence of plating remains, however. Personally, I've long relished the rarely seen pieces like these! IMHO. those pricey S-VDB's pale in comparison to the early Americana.
Edited by ExoGuy 07/10/2015 06:38 am
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Didn't even notice that on the '33! A dumb move, but one that really gives away the real age of the coin.
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I really dig the 1864? Trime! The obverse is great. Truly a wonderful example of numistmatic/economic necessity need.
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Small change meant something in those days, it seems.
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I really like that 1833 seated half. That's a funny piece and would make a fantastic addition to any collection, including mine :)
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Nice little collection you have there exo. Glad I could spark something but Why are you letting them go?
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Thanks, Cascade. To make a long story short, I reconnected with a fellow collector who long ago supplied me with some pieces for another collection I was building. He's now into these early counterfeits, so I'm in effect returning the favor. Also ... I'm gettin' old and need to do more down-sizing. C'est la vie!
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Fantastic, Exoguy. Thanks for the pics.
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My pleasure, Coinfrog. Pieces like these are rarely encountered in our hobby. That's what moved me to start this thread. These early counterfeits were "signs of the times" in which they circulated. Hard money was a scarce commodity in the mid 1800's; probably more so when, in 1857, it became "officially" illegal to conduct trade with foreign money. U.S. coins were likely more in demand to fill the gap.
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Hi ExoGuy,
You mention "Also ... I'm gettin' old and need to do more down-sizing". That got my attention!
My thinking exactly. If I had had a nice little group like this, I'd be thinking the same thing. But could I bring myself to do it?
Good for you!
Bill
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Hi there, Bill Snyder! I'm certainly not ready to close shop, so to speak. There are items that I've acquired over the years which don't hold continuing interest for me. This handful of counterfeits is one such genre. There are some others. I've long been narrowing my focus to the counterstamps and early coppers in general, it seems. The early coppers have more lasting appeal for me, my eye, whether counterstamped or not.
Edited by ExoGuy 07/13/2015 11:30 am
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