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The Demise Of The Printed Word In Numismatics

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The-Demise-Of-The-Printed-Word-In-NumismaticsStack's - The Demise of the Printed Word in Numismatics By Harvey G. Stack

In Part 1 of this story, I discussed the various printed information sources that influenced my nearly 70 years as a professional numismatist.

As the hobby grew in the years from about 1980 to the present, the quantity of printed numismatic material grew. As more people became interested in coin collecting several new publications became available such as Coins Magazine, the Coin Dealer Newsletter, and many more. More dealers entered the field and more pricelists became available for reference. Also, there were more public auctions and therefore more prices realized were available. Information came from the newly formed grading companies in the form of population reports.

The next big change, of course, was the advent of the Internet. As early as the 1990s, the shift began toward online marketing and sales, as well as the spread of information via electronic media. Over the next two decades this trend only increased and even the popular weekly publications started to lose circulation. With so much information available on the Internet, fewer people felt the need to hold a printed publication in their hands.

Coin sales, once done mostly in person or by mail or phone, became "easier" over the Internet. Buying and selling could be accomplished instantly, and even payment could be happen immediately. Public auctions were affected, as many auction houses put their sales online as well as in printed catalogs. Bidding by mail became much less popular as collectors could bid directly online, without relying on the postal service. This process was much faster and the Internet offered the ability to track and increase bids without even the "inconvenience" of a phone call. In time, bidding in "real time" over the Internet changed the public auction scene completely, as personal attendance became less important as one could even watch and listen to the auction while bidding from home.

These changes affected how an auction company advertised and marketed. With sales available online, printed auction catalogs are sent to fewer and fewer people. This caused more and more people to access auctions only over the Internet. Some auctions are completely web-only, with no printed catalog whatsoever. The demand for printed material became less, as many people coming into the hobby had never experienced that side of numismatics.

Circulation for coin publications dropped, as people searched for the information they needed online. Advertising in the weekly and monthly publications started to drop along the circulation numbers and some publications went out of business. Those publications that survived have needed to adapt to the current situation and offer online publications to meet the needs of a new generation.

Business became dependent on electronics and each company had to figure out how to use the Internet effectively while still appealing to clients who relied on printed material. At this point, the hobby seems to be straddling both worlds. But as we move forward, I can see why David Harper predicted that his publications and others might not exist by the year 2040.

I have some opinions on the effect the Internet has had on our hobby. Having been in the business for well over half a century, I believe my observations may have some value. While the Internet has been very beneficial in many ways, I can't help but think of some ways that it has changed numismatics in not so positive ways.

Next week I will talk a little about why I hope we are not seeing the end of the "print culture" in coin collecting.
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Internet killed the printed word star.

I do have fond memories of the magazine days. Coming home to the latest issues in the mail were always a treat.
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Guttenberg would be rolling in his grave right now. Especially if he was a numismatist too
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He probably rolled in his grave when the first line printer was manufactured.
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I caught your Buggles reference too jbuck
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Nice read.

This is one of the highest hurdles for me as a collector returning after a 25-30 year hiatus. I used the mail bidlists, the local coin shop bid boards, the print periodicals, the chat with the local coin shop owner, the Teletrade videocassette auctions {high tech at the time--grin}, etc.

But I love having more information readily available via online resources--for grading, valuing, buying, international coin topics, etc. But (and this was a huge issue with the advent of third party grading services), this "commoditization" of the coin biz has led to more "investor" and "speculator" presence at the cost of the "collector."

Is it really "at the cost of" or is it "in addition to."?

And is that a "bad" thing?

Maybe not. Maybe that falls under one definition of "success"--spread the virtues of coin, uh, collecting to a broader audience. There are more people under the tent.

Maybe yes. Maybe the spectrum of folks interested in coins no longer is limited to those with a deep interest in the history, mint processes, errors, factors resulting in condition, science of the art, art of the science, etc. With more people under the tent, fewer people are "just like me."

Way back when, the only folks who were "collectors" were rather well-to-do people who had the time and funds required to invest a lot of each in the hobby. Nowadays, that same depth of time/finance requirement and commitment is not required to be part of this "club." Success?

What's your definition of "success"?

Anyway, lots more people have made lots more money because of the exchange of collectible (and bullion) coins. Success?
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Interesting. I'm a very specialised collector. I only collect one denomination, from one mint, issued during one reign.

Consequently there aren't that many books beyond the ones I have that would be much use to me and general numismatic magazines don't tend to have any articles of interest to me.

However I do enjoy researching into the provenance of coins, both ones I own and ones I'd like to own(!) And so I have a reasonable reference library of vintage auction catalogues where the sales include the type of coins I collect. The earliest goes back to 1920.

They aren't the sort of thing that people would bother to scan and upload to the internet, so I am limited to hunting down old print copies to refer to.

Yes, I buy in internet only auctions and from dealer sites. But I always screenshot the listings for future reference and occasionally print out a copy. Handy to have a paper copy for insurance or research purposes I think.

So the lack of current printed sales catalogues, while not a particular problem for me, is perhaps regrettable for future collectors as I have found several auction houses only keep the pictures of coins they have sold, or viewable online catalogues, for the more recent sales and then delete them so they are lost to collectors like me forever.

A change to numismatics indeed...

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My favourite UK coin magazine was "Coin Monthly" which ceased publication in 1992. I still have lots of back numbers of it in my loft. Nowadays the only British monthly magazine wholly devoted to numismatics is "Coins & Medals" and I very seldom buy it - I find it consists largely of pages and pages of new issues which are mostly NCLT 'coins' from places like Gibraltar and the Isle of Man...
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I still love having my books in hand for reference material, its nice having it all in one place and being to flip to whatever I need. The largest problem comes in at the costs of the attribution guides :P Many of them are so expensive, I'd rather just spend the money on a nice coin.

Not sure how many ebook readers there are out there, but if these guides came out in a well done epub format (if you want to see a poorly done epub, look no further than the Cherrypicker's guide), I would be in heaven. It would be awesome to be able to carry all my price guides, attribution guides and other references right with me. (Hurry up and make epubs CoinWorld!)
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I just waited for the big, fat issues of the old large-size Coin World. Solid 2-3 hours of enjoyment!
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I've always enjoyed reading Coin World and Coin Values. Had a subscription for a few years, just been picking them up here and there lately. I'll probably renew my subscription in a couple months
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