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1793 Carolus IIIi Dg Hisp.rex - From Where?

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 Posted 07/23/2015  12:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DavidS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm not a collector, I'm going through coins that were part of an estate and getting a very big headache. Any assistance is appreciated.

I have a copper coin that is either Spanish or Spanish Colonial and I am unable to specifically identify it. I can't track it down on the coin sites and I've found similar coins on ebay identified as both. Can anyone help me get specifics on this coin? Many thanks in advance for your input.

Obverse: 1793 CAROLUS IIII DG.HISP.REX
'8' in front of the bust and an aqueduct behind

Reverse: Ornate design with 3 fleur de lis centered, 2 lions & 2 castles quartered, all surrounded by a wreath. I don't find any letters or mint marks.

Edge: Worn but it appears to be consistently ridged



1793-Carolus-IIIi--Dg-Hisp.rex---From-Where?

1793-Carolus-IIIi--Dg-Hisp.rex---From-Where?

1793-Carolus-IIIi--Dg-Hisp.rex---From-Where?
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 Posted 07/23/2015  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe your coin is a Spanish 8 Maravedis:

http://www.beastcoins.com/World/Spain/Spain.htm

And assuming the tower to the left of the King's head is an aqueduct, the mint is Segovia.

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07/23/2015 1:45 pm
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Definitely a Spanish 8 Maravedis minted for use in the New World colonies. But, it appears it was minted in Spain as well as in the Colonies. This is what I've found so far:
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SPECIFICATIONS
Composition: Copper
DESIGN
Obverse: Head right
Obverse Legend: CAROLUS IIII D G HISP REX
Reverse: Cross with castles and lions in angles, within wreath
NOTES
Ruler: Charles IV
Note: Mint mark: Aqueduct.
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After the discovery of America, copper maravedís, along with silver reales, were the first coins struck in Spain for the purpose of circulation in the New World colonies. These coins, minted with a special design for specific use of the Americas, were first coined in Seville in 1505 for shipment to the colonial island of Hispaniola the following year, thus giving these coins their distinction as the first coins for the New World. By 1531 these coins were still being minted, by now in both Seville and Burgos, and subsequent shipments have been confirmed to other areas such as: Mexico, Panama and Puerto Rico. These maravedís were used as Spanish Colonial change for smaller transactions and after mints were later established in the New World, in both Mexico (ordered in 1535, production began in 1536) and Santo Domingo (ordered in 1536, production began in 1542), coins of this type were also minted there.
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Segovia, Spain used an aqueduct, a local landmark, before it switched over to the star system in 1868.
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Does anyone know if the aqueduct on the face means it was definitely minted in Segovia or did the Colonial Mints duplicate the coin exactly, including the aqueduct?
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07/23/2015 1:46 pm
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It was minted in Segovia, the mint marks were never meant to be duplicated.
That coin was not meant to be used in South-America, copper coinage didn't circulated there since a couple of trials up-to Felipe II (1556-1598 - in Santo Domingo, and in Mexico). A couple were minted in Sevilla and other places, meant to be used in South-America, during the reign of the catholic kings . but that was even earlier (and they are recognizable, either with a special design, or a different essayer)
Copper coinage came back in South-America under the reign of Ferdinand VII (1808-1833) - when the empire started to break
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Thanks for all your input. I've got it up on ebay and the auction ends tomorrow. One bid so far but several 'watching' so we'll see how it does.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151755722161
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