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I bought a decent 1930 capped bust half dollar (VF-XF) on ebay for about $75.00. It got me thinking... that's 150 times the face value of that coin. Not too shabby, right ?
But, what if that person put the .50 into a bank (or mutual fund in today's market), what will it be today ?

$.50 principal
5 % interest (compounded annually)
175 years

$ 2,553.27

Just a little trivia for everyone here.

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 Posted 01/04/2008  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep,

Very nice for your distant heirs ... not so nice for you.

I'll still take the coin.
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 Posted 01/04/2008  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add insideout to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd take the coin also. Now what would it have been with the $75 you spent on the coin :)
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 Posted 01/04/2008  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What will any coins be worth in a few hundred years? Soon there will be no cash, currency of any type. Eventually all monitary systems will be computerized everywhere. No more coins. So any coins left will be super collector items.
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 Posted 01/04/2008  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shatsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who's paying 5% interest?
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thats it I'm selling all my coins and opening a bank account. Nah! I don't do it for investment purposes anyway I do it for the sheer joy of being able to look and hold a piece of history in my hands and be in awe at the beautiful workmanship that went into making these little round objects
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5% is an estimate... a lot of mutual funds have 8-10% for the life of the fund, and the Dow Jones is similar over a long span. You can get close to 5% on money market accounts too nowadays. Check out ING.

Unless you kept a roll of 1856 Flying Eagles and put them in a glass jar, then your great, great, great grandson will be very happy today !
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Some dealers I speak to are pessimistic about the return on coins. I share that opinion for many coins bought at retail prices--many are in grades that cannot be quickly sold and have unknown collector value in the long-term. The value of some coins may be inflated due to the collecting/hoarding craze since the 90s. Think of those thousands of nearly worthless culls on ebay. For me, there are two ways I enjoy collecting: for their aesthetic value and historical context. Or--for discovering an unattributed rarity. The second is very tough to do, but those discoveries can be very rewarding
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quote:
But, what if that person put the .50 into a bank (or mutual fund in today's market), what will it be today ?




That is assuming that your account would have survived the financial panic of 1837 when a sizeable portion of the US banking industry collapsed. Banks were closed overnight and account holders were left with nothing in many cases. I bet you wish you were still holding your Bustie in 1838
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Your correct about it coins doing nothing. I been saving susan dollars, two dollar bills , clad halfs for years. They are worth the same but inflation turned them worthless. My bag of susan dollars I bought in 1990 something could have bought more things back in those days. In 2008 I can buy less with same box of coins. My gold coins I bought in 2004 for 350 each. In 2008 I can sell for 800 bucks each in 2008.

So I am slowly turning all my worthless susan dollars , two dollars bills into silver coins that are worth more. I cashed in serval two dollars bills at bank for 65 thru 69 silver halfs my bank had
in stock one day last week. If can turn my hoard of susan dollars , two dollar bills into silver coins I will be happy.

I hope I can keep finding those silver halfs like I been doing in last few monlths at banks. In my spare time I carry an bag full susan dollars, wallet of two dollars bills and hit banks all the time. If I see silver I trade those in for those silver halfs. Maybe my intire hoard of those will turn into all silver half dollars becides worthless susan dollars or two dollar bills I saved and lost money collecting those things.

I feel bad when I see those dealers asking overface on 2 dollars bills, 71 thru 2001 half dollars, baby dollars coins like susan , sacs, presidents . They all worth face value I learned. I saved them for years and in 2007 I called an dealer and he said nobody buys those things over face value. He said spend them. All those years I thought I had an goldmine intill I talked with that dealer on the phone. Its good thing I never bought them overface value in 1990 something when I bought them years ago. I should put them in bank or bought an an us saving bond or anything becides keeping them.

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ING pays 4.5%, no minimum.

I thinK Citibank offers something similar.

Coins are a lot more fun, maybe a good investment, maybe not. ( not to be Captain Obvious )



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 Posted 01/04/2008  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you had bought the coin 1830 in MS65 condition for .50 and kept it till now it's worth $13,500 according to PCGS website. So it would be worth 27k times what you paid for it in 1830.
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If you had bought the coin 1830 in MS65 condition for .50 and kept it till now it's worth $13,500 according to PCGS website. So it would be worth 27k times what you paid for it in 1830

IF you can find an MS-65 back then and kept it in mint state condition for 7 generations... :)
I'm sure there are exception to every rule, like buying a roll of 1909-S VDB and such, but again, I'm talking about everyday common, circulated coins here like the one I bought.
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There's no sure-fire way to make money on coin collecting. Heck, you can buy BU rolls of 45 year old Lincolns for $1.50. Great if you're just starting out, but depressing when you think of the five well circulated examples you have from your childhood collection. :)
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 Posted 01/05/2008  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
GRRRRRR!

OK, time to stick up for the beloved coins now!

In 1830 you could have easily plucked a fresh example fresh out of circulation, say, an MS-65 for 66 example (they exist to this day). Today it would be worth many thousands of dollars!

Now... do the math with a 1909-S VDB

Edit: Darn you, 1sikevo! I swear I didn't even read your post before I wrote mine! Great minds think alike :)
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01/05/2008 01:57 am
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On a serious note. I think everyone would agree that coins as an investment, if pursued only for investment sake, is not the way to go.

But they're a wonderful investment if you also get enjoyment out of them. You may not reap the same returns as a mutual fund or a high interest savings account. But at least when/if they're gaining value you have something tangible that you love.
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01/05/2008 02:06 am
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