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1921-P... VAM 90? (Doubled Reeding)

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Hey daves, could this be a VAM 90 which was discovered in 2014 and for some reason there are no pictures of on vw? I've never seen doubled reeding before so is this it. And look at the hair curl area with the vertical polishing lines, is that the die marker?... What do you guys think? And why are there no pics on vw of the discovery piece?

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 Posted 07/29/2015  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VAM 90 link...

And what are "slid marks"?

http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-90
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That's normal reeding for a 1921, especially one as sharply-struck as this. No idea about a VAM, though. No real smoking gun attributes.
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Looks to me like possibly Rev D2, VAM-9A (? not said with incredible confidence...)
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Thanks Scrooper, very close but I think it's an eds 9...

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 Posted 07/30/2015  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it's the VAM-9 reverse, all right. Can we have a look at detail images of whatever cracks may be on the obverse?
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Boy, you're gonna need your big monitor to see these cracks. I could barely get them to show up. Mostly at neck/star, UM/star and 3rd right star areas (long checkmark is a scratch). Has die marker above B

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Heyhey! At least we're on the right track now. Great!
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OK, VAM-9 it is. Your previous images gave a horizontal mark between the B and U a bit too much emphasis and it caused doubt for me.
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SD, what theory do you prescribe to regarding the how/why of the 21 dots? I know it has nothing to do with casting obviously but it reminds me of the mould fill dots you see on some China coins
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I lean towards the popular belief of deliberate die hardness testing, at the moment. It had been 17 years since the Mint had to work dies of this size in mass production, and I bet they lost a lot of technical expertise in the interim so testing of this type was necessary while they relearned preparation of Crown-size dies in large quantity.
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and I bet they lost a lot of technical expertise


This can also describe the manufacturing trend in the US.

Back on track - good eye Cascade. That is one sweet pawn shop pick.
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I think it's touch funny too that I went down a path to question it as VAM 90 and it turns out to be 90 minus the zero. It's the little things that make you go
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