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Catching Fakes?

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I've recently starting to look into the world of morgans, but I have been seeing a lot of fakes on ebay which are posted here. when I look at them, I can rarely tell that they are fakes, even though many CCF members agree that it is a fake. is there any specific things that I should be looking out for as a tell tale sign for a fake?
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 Posted 08/01/2015  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes the photographs provided make it "obvious" to those who have collected Morgans for years, or decades. But sometimes even the photos will sometimes indicate a fake, which is not, or a good coin, which is fake.

The best thing you can do as you learn them is to look at as many as possible in your very own hands. At local coin shops or coin shows, is best.

If you don't have the advantage of living close to a dealer or a show, it's best to buy a few common date TPGs that you know are good (the VAST majority of time) and learn from that experience.
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Great advice, mox!

mcanniz, as mox said, the best way to start learning how to detect countefeit Morgans (and other things like dipping and fake toning) is to get a really good idea how genuine, unaltered Morgans look. When you know how they're *SUPPOSED* to look, you can usually tell right away when one DOESN'T look how it's SUPPOSED to look. Dealer pick bins offer you a way to get your hands on lots of different date/mintmark combinations, though many of the higher-grade ones there will likely have problems (usually cleaning). Still, it's a great place to start. Also, look at the slabbed ones (or even those just in flips in the showcase) because those will be better grades/coins.

Plus, there are other things not visible to the eye. A small pocket scale that reads in tenths of grams will let you weigh the coins. Counterfeits are often made with different metals, and usually have significantly different weights. And for lower-grade Morgans, there's the "drop-test" in which you drop the coin on a hard surface and listen for the chime that's distinct for silver. A non-silver coin will have more of a "thunk" than a chime.

For the really good counterfeits, though, it often comes down to being able to recognize little details specific to a given coin, and if those details don't match what's expected (whether it's placement of the digits in the date, serifs on the mintmark, or any number of other things), then it's likely counterfeit. Again, though, studying real ones is the best way to begin learning.
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Since you posted this in the VAM section I'll add that VAMming is the best way to avoid buying fake Morgans. Buying Morgan dollars by matching the coin to a known die pair is a sure way to avoid the counterfeit junk out there. Start here http://www.vamworld.com/
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The cheapest ways to identify fakes is to
1. Weigh them
2. Comparative ring tone test against a known genuine equivalent type.
3. Post here in the CCF for a collective opinion
4. Visual examination alongside a known genuine example
5. Take it to a dealer or auctioneer who knows his stuff for a professional opinion.
6. Send it to be TPG'ed. (some grading and shipping fees involved)


There are a number of more expensive scientific tests, including XRF. Most bullion dealers should have an XRF hand held testing instrument.

Make yourself familiar with handling fake coins. I maintain a useful 'black collection' for my own collection. I am also friends enough with very experienced dealer, who will readily show me examples from his 'black' reference collection, built up over a period of more than four decades. He has provided me with much useful advice.
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