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1902-S $5 Gold PCGS MS-66....how 'Bout Unc-Details Damaged

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When you're a PNG member you get special treatment from PCGS:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221840339679?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html%3F_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=221840339679&_rdc=1

Aside form the obvious PMD vertical and horizontal deep scratches on Lady Liberty's neck, you also have severe damage on the reverse rim where the coin was wedged out of a bezel at 11 and 12 O'Clock.
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 Posted 07/30/2015  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add randyK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you it's not a 66. I would give it a 64. The surfaces are superb if not for that gouge you identified
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 Posted 07/30/2015  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's pathetic. Details coin.
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The coin is spotless.... other than the huge gashes across the neck as well as damage on the base of the bust. This is sad.
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It is quite possible that PCGS dismissed the marks as being made by other coins bumping into it. The vertical marks at the bottom of the bust look to be spaced similar to reeding. The horizontal ones may have been dismissed as multiple coins bumping into or scraping that location.

This would all depend on how soft the alloy they use to make these coins is. I know it is 90% gold and 10% copper and I know that gold itself is very soft, but how soft is the alloy they use?
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The multiple scratches on the obverse and the 2 gauges on the reverse are certainly man-made damage. If the damage had been made by contact with other coins than, the fields would vertaimly have bagmarks and not be so pristine.
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.....but, but, but "grading is completely anonymous and graders have no idea whose coins they are grading!"

(And if you still believe that you must also still believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny!)



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Even if those were bag marks, they would keep it from getting a 66 or even a 65. This should be a 64 coin, if not an UNC Detailed - Damaged coin.

"An average of 3 seconds per coin" - this one must have been below average...
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The neck damage looks like a jam against coin reeding, but as for the rim chew who knows. I'd make an offer of $369.50 and accept a counter at $400 just to own the erroneous coin holder. I already own plenty of shiny common coins with issues.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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The coin ain't a 6.
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Sad story, AZ. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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another sad example of how graders are simply not paying attention and affording the care that their job so requires or another example of money-talks and bulls**t runs a marathon so integrity loses. Unreal how this coin got a problem free stamp of approval from the so-called "authorities" of grading.
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Where are all of the ANACS bashers and PCGS is King at on this one

Even without the obvious DETAILS maker rim damage on the reverse that coin would be only MS60 due to the deep neck grooves in 2 locations on the obverse and the deep gouge on the reverse by the MM.

I wonder if that one hasn't had the fields "smoothed" by a laser as rough as the other damage on the coin is unless some ham fisted idiot used a vice grips to free it from some jewelry holder.

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Quote:
...still believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny!)



Wait...WHAT?! You mean I've been living my whole life as a lie!?


GOD DA- IT!

*crashes car into bridge out of anger, later regrets it*
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