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1909 IHC - Is It A Proof?

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 Posted 08/01/2015  10:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mike1487 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I have a 1909 Indian cent I picked up a few months back. It has very obvious hairline scratches and was improperly cleaned, but it has the look of a proof coin. Is it? It really has the reflective surfaces when holding a light to it.


1909-IHC---Is-It-A-Proof?

1909-IHC---Is-It-A-Proof?

1909-IHC---Is-It-A-Proof?

1909-IHC---Is-It-A-Proof?

1909-IHC---Is-It-A-Proof?

1909-IHC---Is-It-A-Proof?
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 Posted 08/02/2015  05:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add randyK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What makes you think this is a proof? I'm not seeing it as a proof...
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has the reflective surfaces when holding a light to it.


Looks like it may have been cleaned. Does the coin have luster?
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IMHO, looks proof to me. cleaned lightly at some time. lets see from PROOF experts.
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There is only 1 obverse and reverse die for the proof that year, and the date is punched into the hub so there can only be one date position. The date position on your coin seems to match. As in your coin, the shield points are connected to the denticles and the olive leaves are away. However, on a proof coin, there is a very small die lump at edge of the denticle below the center of the one on the date. I can't see it on your coin, but the denticles below the date are slightly out of focus. Maybe you can see it. I hope this helps.
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Not a proof coin IMHO. Keep in mind that in 1909 proof coins were stuck as Matte Proofs, not mirror proofs.
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 Posted 08/02/2015  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add randyK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very interesting analysis
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still very nice
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I thought the Lincoln proofs of this year were matte, but the Indian proofs were mirror.
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where did you purchase it?
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beaglebaily is giving you the hints you need to track this down and solve your own mystery. Match the dies. Go look at known slabbed proofs of this issue and research against those. Date position seems to be a key player in this analysis as does the diagnostic on the dentils.
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ebay, from a high volume seller. I knew it was cleaned. The squared rims were my initial reasoning for it might being a proof. I agree the date position looks right. But I'm not seeing any die lump below the 1. I also think I see what might be the large "L" over small "L" doubling on the designer initials, which I suppose would make it not a proof. Oh well..

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I also think I see what might be the large "L" over small "L" doubling on the designer initials, which I suppose would make it not a proof. Oh well..


I agree. If you can see that doubling on the 'L' then it is not a proof. It is also a very common variety because the doubling occurred on the master die.
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