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1881 3 Cent Double Date ?

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found it also on my friend's 2x2 box,that I been going through to see what I want to keep.

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08/03/2015 12:22 pm
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 Posted 08/03/2015  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool find! If you rotate the coin 45 degrees, the eights look like peering eyes.

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Four eyes variety!!
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 Posted 08/03/2015  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Meadowviewcollector, I think you are right.that's cool exoguy.
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 Posted 08/03/2015  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good catch there, MeadowviewCollector! I wonder how many of these yet await discovery? It's a neat variety that's not before caught my attention.

To my eye, the OP's piece better showcases the variety; this, akin to counterstamps that appear more distinct on lower grade coins.
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 Posted 08/03/2015  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, thanks. Not exactly a series that's had a lot close attention.
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 Posted 08/03/2015  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you think it would be worth to send it to PCGS ?
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 Posted 08/03/2015  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, not worth the cost of submitting it, in this grade. I just checked for the variety in Breen's Encyclopedia. He wrote that this variety, both repunched and doubled dates were discovered by Lester Merkin. a well known coin dealer, back in 1965.

Breen stated that the doubled dates were proof issues, as this coin appears, whereas the recut dates were business strikes. Many of Breen's early observations have since been called into question. To my eye, this looks to be a double struck date more so than a recut date. Die polishing may have removed all but the interior portion of the doubled date, perhaps?
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Dates were not "recut". They were repunched. A "double struck date" is meaningless because you can't "double strike" the date without double striking the whole coin. Recutting pretty much died out after the very early US coinage when they began using punches for most of the die work. There was still some for things like berry stems and wreath stems, but lettering and dates were handled by repunching. There is VERY little hand recutting done after 1836.

The OP coin shows a repunched date.
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 Posted 08/04/2015  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Conder, my error in quoting Breen. He used the word "repunching." That said, Breen wrote that this variety of 1881 was an "obvious double date." He went on to say, "Later, this obv. die was repolished, effacing all extra digits except traces of extra 8's within 88 ..." The OP's coin may be a circulated proof, it seems.
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Excellent pickup!
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Nice find. Good eyes for sure. Must be fun to go through your buddy's 2x2 box!
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 Posted 08/04/2015  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes is been fun , my friend was a coin dealer many years back and I been going through the coins that he has found in his attic, that have been there for over 25 years.

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 Posted 08/06/2015  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadaCoinCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice EYE
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