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I bought this AE Dupondius as Trajan, but the more I try to attribute it the less Trajan looking it is becoming. Does anyone have any ideas please? AE Dupondius 29 mm, 11.7 gm. Obv: Laureate bust right Rev: S.C. in wreath.  
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I think Biancasdad has it here either that or an exceptionally close one
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It positively screams Trajan. No doubt about it and yes it is Antioch.
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Definitely Trajan, not a dupondius but an As.
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It seems too heavy for an as
Antioch at this time was issuing an orichalcum "as" at 6-7 grams.
I am inclined to believe it is a dupondius despite the lack of radiate crown.
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It might be mislabeled at acsearch the one they have listed as an As is 13.29 grams at 29 mm.
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13.29 is way way too heavy for an as. The dupondius was relatively spot on as a half of a sestertius which for the time generally run 24-29 grams orichalcum.
Most copper asses are 10 grams plus or minus.
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Thanks, B.D. (again) and to O.M.F., echizento, and F.R.
The more I looked at the bust the more I saw Titus or Vespasian, and the more I looked at the reverse the more I saw the dots at the top of the wreath and the less I could find them. With your help it seems so simple . . . .now.
Thanks again.
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This is what I love about Roman provincial coins. Is it one or the other? I've seen this coin IDed on acseacrh as a AS with a weigh over 13 grams. In Whirlwinds and one or two other sites again in weigh over 13 grams, it is IDed by it's size AE28, AE29, etc.. With no mentioned of it being an As or Dudondius. I think I prefer the coin being IDed in that way and rather than saying it's an As or a Dupondius.
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If in doubt it is an AE 29 :)
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Thanks Ron, P.P.
On 'Wildwinds' there is a listing for 'Antioch, BMC 285', where the description is only 'AE27', so I will go with 'Antioch, BMC 285', and 'AE29' for mine.
Thanks everyone.
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I can understand why there is some discussion about the denomination of this coin.
Being of Greek Imperial (Romoan Colonial) origin, there will always be some doubt about the denomination.
A lot of scholarly research over many decades has failed to reveal much definitive information on the various denominations of copper, bronze and orichalcum Roman Colonial coinage.
I would be just inclined to 'go with the flow', and call it an 'AE29'.
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I agree !
But 29mm is awfully close to 30mm
Thirty millimeters makes me think sestertius
The coin is worn/corroded too. It probably lost at least 1 gram or more if the flat edge is the result of loss.
Antioch did mint Roman Imperials at the time of Trajan. The whole region must have been swimming with soldiers connected to the eastern campaigns of Trajan. They must have had both types circulating simultaneously. To not have had parity would have been ........
Un Roman !
Edited by FVRIVS RVFVS
08/06/2015 8:28 pm
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Actually I throw in the towel !
A glance over at Wildwinds and I see that while RIC (and Sear) attribute these odd Imperials to Antioch
Some people argue they came out of the Rome mint based on analysis of the metal.
That's really not proof. The metal may have been brought with the army when it gathered for the big push east.
But enough uncertainty exists to say AE29 is an accurate description.
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I thought Sestertius, because the size is O.K., but the weight falls well short of what you would expect from a Sestertius, doesn't it?
The weight (and size) puts it in the Dupondius or As category?
It is interesting, but I am happy to go with 'AE29'.
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