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so I bought 2 morgans recently off ebay and one weighs more than the other... a whole gram to be exact. the heavier one is AU while the lighter one is around F10. could the wear account for a whole gram? or do I have a fake. I doubt someone would make a bad quality fake... it was an 1886 0, so no key date worth faking  |
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You'd be surprised. The new non-magnetic fakes coming from China are usually under weight by a gram. Pics?
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Does it pass the silver ring test?
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it does pass the ring test
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just weighed 4 morgans and 1 peace. the weights were 26.8, 26.8, 26.4, 26.7, and the one in question which was 25.9
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A full gram is too low for an authentic morgan unless it was sanded down or a small chunk was removed. Well, check out this thread of and compare yours... https://goccf.com/t/234250 |
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Doesn't look like any Morgan I've ever seen unless it's a bad photo. In other words-FAKE!
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1893s, can you tell me what makes you think so so I can watch out next time
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I think the "ring test" has been misinterpreted in this case.
More to the point should be the
'comparative ring tone test'.
The ring tone of a suspect coin should be tested and heard, and compared with the ring tone of a known genuine equivalent coin at the same time.
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All I can tell you mcanniz is years of experience. The wear on the coins is off, missing leaves under cotton bolls for one example.
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the rings sound the same as all my other morgans... can it be silver and a fake at the same time? are there any other ways to test if its fake?
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i just did an acid test and it is indeed silver... could it just have been a thin planchet and with all the wear added on that made it so light?
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Can you post a pics of the side reeding of that coin and another morgan pinched between your fingers. To A) show the reeds and B) compare thicknesses. Did you read the link of my possible contemporary counterfit? I think yours may have a shot at being one but I'm curious what others think. Yours appears to have the slight appearance of a cast copy from the reverse but that WON'T ring silver unless it is plated and even then the ring wouldn't quite be the same as 90%. If it is silver and a gram light and has the mushiness of a low pressure strike it stands a good chance of bwing a contemporary counterfit from around 1900 as sliver was around .50 so it could be effectivly doubled by Turing it into a passable Morgan dollar ... don't take this as gospel though as the bulk of my knowledge is from researching mine and I haven't had it confirmed or even xrf'd as of yet Edited by Cascade
08/07/2015 10:12 am
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1. Counterfeit Morgans can be silver. The price of silver at various times and places made Morgans worth more than $1 in silver. Heck, they could have stolen the silver anyway.
2. A full gram light on a worn Morgan is cause for concern but not proof positive the coin is fake, especially if the scale has less than 0.01g resolution.
3. Me, I think it's counterfeit for the same million subtle reasons as 1893S. Most prominent among those reasons is, the level of detail lost on the surface features doesn't match the amount of metal worn down off the coin. By the time the eagle and wreath have lost all surface detail, there needs to be noticeable flattening of the lettering and such is not the case here.
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Heck, they could have stolen the silver anyway. That just blew my mind SD, it's the little things you don't even think about A question, back in 99-00 when silver was low was it below $1 spot and was China doing its thing with morgans then? |
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Posted 08/06/2015 5:44 pm
