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Ottoman Silver Coins Struck In Tarabalus Gharb (Tripoli, Lib

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These are Silver Ottoman coins that where apparently struck in Tripoli Libya. Four coins have the year 1223 and one coin has the year 1222 That's all I know about them, I had these for a long time, But with out any info. any help
Ill post all of the five coins that I have.



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Indeed, they are from Ottoman Libya, Tripoli mint. Coins from this province aren't common at all.

First off, I should repeat what Krause says in it's introductory paragraph on Libyan coinage of the 1800's: "The monetary system of Tripoli was confused and is poorly understood", with coins being issued in all sorts of weights, sizes and fineness standards. It would help confirm the identity of these coins if you could post the weights and diameters.

Given those caveats, here's what I think you've got.

Coin #1: Dated 1223 Year 3 (the regnal year is on the reverse, third line of text, left hand side), equating to 1810. It best matches the pic of KM# 141, described as a 40 para or piastre, should be about 35mm across and should weigh just over 12 grams. CV $300 in VF.

Coin #2: Dated 1223 Year 15, equating to 1822. Best match to me looks like KM# 168.1, designated as a "20 para". Should be about 31mm across and weigh 5.6 grams. CV $150 in VF.

Coin #3: Appears to be almost identical to #2, except for the "sprig" next to the toughra. I'd classify this one as KM# 168.2 (it's not illustrated in the book, but the similar KM# should mean they look similar, as these two do). CV still $150 in VF.

All three coins are classed as "billon", silver of undetermined and fairly low fineness.
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Hay Sap thanks buddy, would you have time to look into these coins, if I where to post the weights and diameters if that really helps knowing the identity and possibility of any rarities...?

Updating RE-Posting the weights and diameter of coins.
I did not take my time with the diameters of each coin but it is roughly around 4.5 The weights are, starting with the large coin is 12.9gm and has a diameter of 34 to 35mm, The rest of the smaller coins hit from 4.5gm to 5.5 gm

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Yep, those weights and diameters sound near enough to the types I identified.
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Silver Gorilla why did you take the weights and measures out of the post ?

The information may help other members with their coins in the future .

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The photograph does not show the minting place. Ottoman Sultan's titles only appear on that side of the coin.
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He had more pictures. He deleted those, too.
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Updating RE-Posting the weights and diameter of coins

I totally forgot TO re-post the photos I was going to give the thread a boost but I forgot about it totally, A very big SORRY TO ALL. I wanted to add an Ottoman coin minted in Tunisia, but ill use a new thread instead of this one
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I have Ben offered a very crazy price FOR ALL FIVE COINS and I'm not sure if this guy is joking or not, he works in the Russian embassy in Tripoli Libya. He has Offered me $12,000 for all five coins, I was shocked. I totally played like the price was nothing to me, but really my heart was pumping like hell, I had goose bumps all over, One thing now is, I will never sell them. Or do you think I should contact him and tell him I'm not selling and I don't like the price.? help out people
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Thanks for restoring things, but we can't positively identify the two new ones without seeing the other sides, because the regnal year is on the reverse.

As for your Russian friend, it's hard to say. I haven't seen anything there I'd want to pay anywhere near that much money for. Of course, Krause could be way out in values. There's not much in the sales records on these coins; they just don't come up for sale often enough. I'd want to find out how much of an expert this guy is before knowing whether he's serious. There might be something in there only a specialist would know to look for.
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Sap he called again befor I could makeup my mind to call him and tell him that I don't like the price, After talking to him on the phone and determining that he really really wants these coins, I asked him why did he want these coins what was so special about them, he would not tell me anything for some reason, the only thing he kept saying is that they where for his wife, and she wanted Ottoman Libyan struck coins, I ask him that I need time before I can make up my mind. It looks like this guy is keeping something from me about them, or he could be telling me the truth, but why did he offer me so much on these coins ?

As for the other missing sides of the coins that I posted I will re-post with better photos. I'm doing that tonight.

Very Large Silver Ottoman Libyan struck Coin found in Libya, Sap there is now a NEW coin that has been dugout, I wanted to see this coin and asked that I see it, I will try to buy this coin from its keeper. Ill post photos of it, if all gos good for me.
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OK I just found one of the coins minted in Tripoli Libya, but it looks way different from the one's that I posted on this thread, I found it on coin Archives, And I don't think that it's in good shape.

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http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...283&Lot=4864

Mahmûd II, 1223-1255 H/1808-1839 AD. 19 Para 1223 H/7, Tarablus gharb. K./M. 130. 2.72 g. Rare Very fine

Funny that this coin on coin-archives says that it weighs 2.72gm

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Thanks for adding the extra pics. The last two seem to me to be the same as #2.

As for the one in your link, it's a 10 para ("19" is probably a typo). The pic in Krause of #130 looks much the same as that one. Krause gives a weight of 3.35 grams.

Zeno.ru is the best online database for Asian and Islamic coinage, but it's page for Ottoman Tunisia is pretty sparse - only 10 coins.
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I have been offered to buy 6 Ottoman Tunisian struck silver coin's dated 1158 FOR $250 each. The only thing is the man is very Old hes like in his 80s to 90s probably 85, The thing is should I tell him that these are rare and that there no where to be found, and that the price should be above that by 4 to 5 times. Or should I just shut up and buy them without any questions asked. BY the way he is the one that has the Large Ottoman Libyan struck coin, and says he has never found anything like it from before in his entire life of searching in parts of Libya, Using a Metal detector, I have the Coin With me, I offered him $300 and he accepted the cash. It looks so Beautiful, As soon as I'm dun with it ill post it in a new thread, a new thread just for it nothing else with it just this big large silver coin struck in Tripoli Libya, There's one problem the man scraped it with a metal brush causing miner scrap damage to it.
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Updating with new good quality photo's, plus adding two new coins.

Well I'm back sorry for the long absences from the forum, iv been on a advencher in Libya trying to dig up coins And man I tell you its not so easy to find hidden treasure and the only means of communication was by cell phone so I would log in and pop out with out posting anything sorry well anyway, I have devoted my self "NOW" to only look for The Ottoman Libya Coins, And its so Hard very hard in fact I gave up looking for Ottoman Libyan Coins, No just kidding not just yet at lest, Well I Found some silver coins, but that was about it. Ill post the Photos for every one to have a looky at them its not much but there good for now. There is something else that I will post and its the large Silver one that I bought from a person about a month or two ago, but I cant post the photos, I have to wait until I get it back from a Turkish professor he was very interested in it, It is under examination for now.





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Hi there people, hope ya all doing good out there, Well posting new findings of Ottoman libyan copper coins, I could not find anymore Silver coins, Did not find much, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, next time ill do better, "I think". Well if any one knows any info on them that would be grate.

I found an Ottoman Libyan copper coin on ebay...... But it dos not look any way near the ones that I have posted up here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ISLAMIC-OTTOMAN...RR_W0QQitemZ160232266332QQihZ006QQcategoryZ4739QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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