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Gold/Silver Ratio - 77. Normal?

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If memory serves me, A few years ago when I first started stacking the Gold to Silver ratio was right around 55. Today it is at 77.

So is this a natural upward progression over time - much like the prices of goods tend to rise over time? After all, at one time in the distant past, the normal ratio was 20.

Or is an inflated ratio due to return to some "normal" in the future?
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77 is high, no doubt about that. It's been higher in the past and it is not a natural progression upward aka consumer price inflation. Of late gold has performed more as a precious metal while silver has performed like an industrial metal IMO. The 10 year GSR chart, available at Kitco, shows a high ~84 and a low of ~32 with an average just over 60. This would indicate that silver is undervalued in most interpretations. Thing is there are so many non-market factors in play these days there is no way to tell anything with certainty.

I will say that in the short run it seems silver has more upside potential than gold. I personally sold all my gold in 2012-2014 and still retain my silver so you know what I think. I am not a charting expert or any kind of expert for that matter so YMMV.
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BH...I read in your post above that you have retained your silver over the last few years. Have you actually been adding to your stash or are you just keeping what you already had? Just wondering your thoughts on if now is a good time to buy.
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Thanks BH1964.

I was getting ready to start stacking again then I saw how high the ratio was. To go back to the "normal" range, gold would have to either trend down faster than silver, silver would have to trend up faster than gold. This may be one of the reasons for the VERY high premiums for silver
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Premiums on silver can be ridiculous at times. Anywhere near melt and silver is at friendly prices these days. I haven't added much silver this year and most of the silver I accumulated in 2013-2014 was through trading gold for silver. My current financial situation does not allow me to add a lot so the ~300tozs I'm holding are sitting in my SDB. My brother, who has a LOT more disposable income than I do, has been buying regularly this year.
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Hope silver is $49 oz by end of year .
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Hope silver is $49 oz by end of year .


Could happen...spot at $25 and premiums at $24 .... if there is some kind of silver shortage then god knows where premiums will be. Although I doubt there will be a shortage of silver in the foreseeable future but you never know....
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Here's a monkey wrench for the conversation: Are you discussing gold and silver pricing ratios based on paper or physical? There's a real difference there (literally real).

The paper price is so heavily manipulated, it almost seems impossible to really price out silver and gold these days on a ratio or anything based on historical numbers.

Speaking of silver shortage - it can happen. There's enough billionaires in the world to do so since people still peg paper silver to physical silver.
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@crescendo - great question so I did a little quick math. Wish there were historic information on this too.

Using APMEX, gold/silver ratios on physical metals are:

~62 for american gold and silver eagles
~71 for cheapest generic gold and silver bars/rounds
~77 for spot prices

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Thanks for the compliment, Vesper. I remember reading about the percentage premiums for 90% coins going sky high compared to anything else when economic conditions get rough. As in up like 1000+ percent.

But either way, even those numbers you pulled on physical are still somewhat based upon the misunderstanding in how silver price is not tied to actual real life physical silver supply.

Fiat currency dependence has really messed up the general public belief on value.
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In large periods of ancient times, the silver to gold ratio was around 15:1.

Could this be some sort of 'natural' ratio?

For that reason, I am inclined to think that 77:1 is high, but I also think that a reversion back to 15:1 would be impossible.
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I remember when the gold/silver ratio was about 16:1, I was 17 years old and the year was 1980.
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Even if things came out of the ground at a 1:1 ratio they would still have different actual prices due to demand and usage.
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I have read about the ratio every once in a while. Best argument I've heard to track the ratio is not necessarily to get best prices (buy low sell high kind of thing), but more to increase the quantity of precious metals over time regardless of price.

Example: buy silver now at around 70... assuming this is a high end of historical trend AND the trend will eventually revert to its mean... you then sell/exchange silver for gold... repeat process and exchange gold for silver when ratio goes up again... repeat over and over to increase ozs, again, regardless of price.

This, to me, seems like a long position game and needs decades, discipline and patience to probably to play out in one's favor.

Has anyone ever done this, with success or failer? I'm young and have time for the long play and it always seems intriguing. I mostly collect silver coins that have too high a premium for this, but I do have a little generic silver for portfolio diversification... and will get more. Just wondering if maybe with the long position I should consider not just price, but also timing in regards to the ratio.

Thoughts!?!?
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