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 Posted 09/05/2015  10:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The attached appears to be a cutout from a Bank of Ottawa $20 bill. I am going to guess that it passed into a relative's hands after the bank closed and its money was demonitized.

I tried to find a match for it on line and did not have any luck. Judging by the appearance of the design versus other Bank of Otawa notes, I am going to guess that it comes from a note that was issued near the end of the bank's life. However, the only match that I don't have a photo of is the 1891 $20.

Any thoughts?



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09/05/2015 10:32 am
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 Posted 09/06/2015  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I am going to give a reply to my own topic.

I find this item to be very odd. I have to assume that no one in the late 18th century would do this to a $20 bill that was still worth $20. So I think it is likely that this occurred after or at the time of the merger of the Bank of Ottawa in 1919. If it is an 1891 $20 bill, that certainly seems like a long length of time for a bill to hang around before being defaced.

I see two possibilities.....one is that this note was intentionally defaced as part a "demonitization" process when the bank ceased operations. Perhaps when notes were turned in for redemption the tellers did this to the old ones. The other possibility is that a child got hold of an old $20 bill and cut it up for fun. In the latter case, though, the natural outcome would be for the child or the parents to get out the tape and try to put it together. In that case I would expect to find both pieces together.

The cutting is obviously very roughly done, which could tie to either of these explanations.

Anyone out there know anything about the Bank of Ottawa story? It sounds like a lot of notes were destroyed when the bank closed. Maybe this one was a straggler?

Can anyone confirm if this is an 1891 $20 fragment? If so, the image should be an effigy of John McLaren and would look similar to his picture on a $5, $10 or $50. Anyone have an image of any of these other notes?

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09/06/2015 3:01 pm
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 Posted 09/06/2015  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Smallcentguy, as you mention, the Bank of Ottawa merged with the Bank of *Nova Scotia in 1919.

Here's a link to ScotiaBank's Archives in Toronto. It might be helpful to contact them for information on the 1891 $20 banknote because in my experience the archives departments of major banks generally hold a wealth of historical information pertaining to that of the old banks of different names that were involved in various mergers as well.

http://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/0,,473,00.html

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09/06/2015 11:55 am
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The note the portrait came from is from 1903 and was never issued. Never had any cash value.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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09/06/2015 2:06 pm
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I have seen a picture of the issued 1903 note and it has a similar border around the effigy. However, the issued note features a different individual.

So this one was not issued then? I guess someone save part of a destroyed unissued note as a souvenir.

Has anyone seen something like this before?
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This may be the picture your after. It look's as if they may have had a circulation issue also, to bad you don;t have the whole note.

Cheers, Bill

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None with that portrait were issued for circulation.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 09/06/2015  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup that's it!! I guess it was probably a specimen type note that was heading for the scrap heap when someone took a piece for a souvenir.

Many thanks. I think I will tuck this one back into the family history files.
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I know this sounds silly as the piece you have is almost centred perfectly for being a cut out... however, is it possible that the note was set on fire at some point in time?
Cutting with scissors would surely give it cleaner cut lines and from the pictures you posted there seems to be almost a brown burnt edge around some of the remaining note.
Just a thought.
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 Posted 09/07/2015  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DD

I think what you are seeing is a colour distortion in the photo. The actual fragment is a full green with a couple of little brown stains. I don't think it has been burnt.
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