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I think that coin would come back MS62 or at most 63. Definitely PL, possible shot at DMPL. Nice pickup
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I don't know guys, I'm seeing ms 64 pl coins and this one looks better than the ones on ebay. I'll be shocked if it's not ms 63 dmpl, it's stunning in person. I can see me eyes in it from fairly far away...at any rate, $225 is a steal. I would conservatively say it would fetch $350 tomorrow morning.
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Bedrock of the Community
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MS63DMPL all day long.
Source: I have 2 in PCGS MS63DMPL.
Nice buy at the price.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
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Seeing the better pics, I think you will get a MS63. Can't say on the PL / DMPL from pics, but likely PL at least.
Nice score.
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I bought my 1st GSA CC this year too. Just so happened to be an '84. Welcome to the club. 
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That coin will not grade 64DMPL any time soon, look at the bag rub on the Eagle's chest, there's almost no mint frost left. That's a big issue on a DMPL given that a big part of DMPL's is the contrast between devices and fields. I see it at 63PL tops, meaning that $225 is about full retail. 63DMPL would still be a very nice score, but I do not think the obverse has the depth to be a true DMPL in the eyes of NGC or PCGS. It is actually somewhat common on 1884-CC's to have a DMPL reverse and a PL obverse. I know you're new to coins, TMCD75, so let me give you a tip. Odds are, if you think you just pulled a fast one and got a great deal, that's exactly the way the dealer wanted you to feel.
Edited by CartwheelCollector 09/10/2015 12:50 am
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I picked up an 83-CC a few years back that is DMPL as well. Paid the same you did....exactly $225. The dealer had a stack of GSA dollars in a bin and the one I picked out was by far the nicest looking one there. Its in the SDB so I cant get pics right now, but moral of the story is they are out there.....all you have to do is look!
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Quote: I know you're new to coins, TMCD75, so let me give you a tip. Odds are, if you think you just pulled a fast one and got a great deal, that's exactly the way the dealer wanted you to feel. A bit harsh, don't you think.
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If the dealer makes money on a sale, and the buyer perceives that they got a good deal on the same sale, who exactly is losing in the transaction? If you think you got a great deal on a coin, and you're happy with the coin, does it matter to you if the dealer or seller made a profit or took a loss? You CAN still pick up great deals from less-informed sellers, although it's nowhere as easy as it was 10 or 20 years ago. Being able to "read" the dealer or seller is also a tremendous asset; are you negotiating with a 40 year collector/ANA life member who has been running a LCS for 20+ years, or are you buying from some 19 year old college student that just inherited Grandpa's collection of old Morgan dollars and is looking for beer and pizza money? The former is more likely to know the true market value of his items than the latter. It's a bit grumpy to think that someone else can't have gotten a great deal on a coin just because you don't think it's a great deal on a coin; dealers and non-dealer sellers both make mistakes from time to time, undergrading or understating or just not selling correctly, or you just get lucky and find out you picked up a rare Snow variety of RPD Indian cent or a scarcer VAM on a Morgan dollar. I do get a slight bit of "Dangit, I missed that one" envy, but I can still appreciate that someone got a great deal, even if it's a better deal to them than it would be to myself.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
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I'm not trying to pull a fast one on anyone, I don't know enough about coins to even attempt to pull a fast one.lol. I certainly left the shop feeling good about my purchase, I'll admit that. I also know it's a common date, I just really appreciate the beauty of this coin.
I've looked at dozens of the common date GSA dollars and this one is an attention grabber for sure. In a way, I did get him, but that was NOT my intentions...I would've happily paid him $300 for this coin...
He had some 89 CC that were over priced by twice the amount they should've been, I'm learning quickly.
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TMCD75, I am just noticing from your posts that you seem to be talking about what you paid and what you think it is worth, rather than focusing on the coin itself. It seems as if you are getting into this at least party with a profit motive in mind. That being my impression, I am just giving you honest feedback on what I feel these coins are worth and what you paid. If I am off-base, please let me know and I will cease to comment on the value of the coins you purchase, or the grades of them as well.
As for any semblance of envy for him getting a "good deal", I can assure you I have none. I have purchased misgraded $10,000 coins for $550 before, made $5,000+ cherrypicks, came darn close to a top pop on a raw coin several times, bought coins at one table at a show, walked a couple tables over, and doubled my money. When it comes to most of the cool things you can have happen to you in this hobby in terms of making money, I have been there, done that. I make enough money off this hobby per year to nicely accentuate my regular income to the tune of about 10%, and I am a professional who has had a stable career for 24 years now.
And to edweather, no I do not think I am being a bit harsh. I may be blunt, but that is just the way I convey my point. The content is entirely relevant and truthful.
Edited by CartwheelCollector 09/10/2015 4:47 pm
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I'm purchasing coins for the exact same reasons most others here purchase coins, because I like coins AND it's certainly an investment. I don't pretend to simply buy because I think they're pretty, although that's a part of it, I'm putting my money in Carson City Morgans because it's profitable too.
I need feed back on my purchases, I don't have 10 years experience under my belt to help me pick a 64 from a 65. Having said that, the times we're all living in help me learn much quicker than if I started 25 years ago. The Internet is a treasure trove of material if you're willing to learn.
I don't think you can venture into the world of coin collecting without collecting/investing crossing each other's path. I don't plan on selling these anytime soon.
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You really should not consider coins (especially ungraded material) an investment until you have several years of experience under your belt. You do not need, say, ten years experience, but you should certainly have at last a few years experience in handling and assessing/grading both raw and certified coins on a regular basis before you go and spend thousands of dollars on them. It is both financially imprudent and reckless. I can tell you that two or three years is sufficient to develop substantial expertise if you focus on any one given series. My nephew, who just turned 26, is following in my footsteps as a Morgan collector, and he can grade almost as good as I can after only three years, keeping in mind that I have been collecting Morgans for well over 30 years. In lieu of experience, the best thing you can do is spend a bit more money to purchase TPG-graded, CAC approved material. CAC has a standing bid on any coin they sticker, which gives you a price floor limiting the amount of money you can lose, and that floor is usually relatively substantial compared to, say, dealer wholesale on that coin. Do you pay extra for that security? Absolutely, but it is well-worth it for the inexperienced collector. I look at the coins I bought when I first got into collecting and I laugh at myself and my notations on what I thought they graded and the values I assigned to them. You will someday too, in all probability. A wise dealer once told me, "The easiest way to get a million dollars in coins is to spend 2 million." Do yourself a favor and save $3,000 and take a few ANA Summer Seminar classes next year. That is an investment in your ability as a grader, your knowledge as a collector, and the network you can build around yourself as a numismatist.
Edited by CartwheelCollector 09/10/2015 6:55 pm
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Ya know TMCD, you remind me alot of myself a year or two ago before I found ccf. I knew just enough to be dangerous and had money to burn. Which I did. I certainly bought some stunning coins and even made a few bucks here and there but I over spent on some aND spent a good deal of money sending ms common date morgans to pcgs to learn how they gRade aND hoped I would score a high one. I'm a quick study so I was able to limit my risk early and all but eliminate it with ccf now but man I wish I found this place when I was as green as you. What I'm getting at here is I applaud your daring nature but try not to blow your wad too quickly. If you stay here daily going to all the forums and guessing on grades etc I guarantee in a month you will feel like your coin knowledge has grown 10x fold. 
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