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Coin Frog, do not spoil it for me as I still believe in the Easter Bunny and 100+ year old brilliant white undipped silver coins.
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About as likely as MS full red 200+ year old large cents. But they do, in fact, exist. Most of you nailed it at MS-64:  I think MS-64 * would be more appropriate, I might resubmit it for variety attribution and a shot at a * grade or maybe cross it over to PCGS and see if I can get a 64+ or even a 65 out of them. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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It does not look like the 120 Fortin is using as the plate coin; die's erode in stages. Cracks form and extend over time. Your coin seems to patterned on the same in the fault line for the reverse and your date measurement matches the obverse die. What I see is your left wreath, the crack starts at the top leaf and extends down that left side. The right lower ribbon and how the crack is in that part of the relief and comes out the tip of that ribbon into and out the leaf and to the rim where it exits. Looks pretty close. |
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I agree with the identification; my question is if it's possible for there to be a clashed version of the variety and if so why it would not be mentioned when the others are.
In other words, is the clash independent of the variety attribution?
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What a great coin! Congrats!
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I sent your coin pics to Gerry Fortin and heard back from him today. He said its not an F-120 and not an F-102. Its an unknown attributed coin. So looks like a new die pair. Way to go!
In the later common date years there could be a many, many unknown die pairings and stages of those dies. Regarding a clashed die and its place within any die attribution, from what I see, clashing is something that makes up a specific stage of the die as it degenerates. Unless I am incorrect about that statement. If I am not, than sure, you could have an attributed known die pairing and its a perfect die and than at some point it degenerates and you get a sub-set of that die pair. Makes logical sense, I think!
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That's the way it works with Morgan dollar dies and die pairings, although letter transfer during a clash event seems to be a requirement for a sub variety. This certainly has letter transfer. |
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I finally got one right after 1,243 tries, but I'll just listen in from this point.
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Awesome information as usual. Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far!
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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I finally got one right after 1,243 tries  I've think you've fared better than that! |
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I took a couple of quick camera phone pics for luster since someone was asking about it earlier in the thread. The more I look at this coin in-hand the more I wonder why it didn't make a 65. Strongly inclined to resubmit.    Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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