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Why is there so much red tape and costs involved in submitting coins to a grading service like PCGS? Why the need for expensive memberships and all that? Doesn't make it very easy for the average collector to get coins graded. The structure to me seems a bit too rigid.
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It is called greed.
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Nowadays the business world, sadly, tends/cannot run anymore on the concept that helped us at one time to have the best economy the world had ever seen. It was the mindset of giving quality service at a cost the buyer perceives as a good bargain. "Mom and Pops" tend to do this still. The change was forced into being most concerned about maximization of profit and minimization of work/service.

The coercion to this mindset has been due to regulations and requirements imposed by government demanding expensive changes, such as the coercion requiring major health care cost increases per hired employee etc.


Businesses also really have to watch their backs over liability nowadays. And that gets expensive. But this is also not always their fault. Judges award ridiculous amounts over lack of personal responsibilty and the insurance companies have to make more regulations, and raise costs, just to offer their services. Sadly it is to the point they also are about maximization of profits to cut corners wherever they can also.

Welcome to economics in the 2000s. The greed is not just with the companies as is so often touted by media-smearing of the system that made America great - Capitalism. Businesses have to meet their expenses. Each company is different and has different standards they stick to. But overall this is the current trend we see.


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A few options. Join the ANA and you have access to NGC at a reasonable level. ANACS is very easy to deal withal well.
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One of the reasons was to actually keep the number of submissions down. If there were no membership fees, and if the actual submission fees were a lot lower, there would be a LOT of people sending in a bunch of "stuff" that really doesn't need to be slabbed. People already complain that submissions take too long. Let everyone and his brother send in his "odd looking coins" he found in change because he can and it's cheap to do so and turnaround times would balloon.
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I agree with Conder - it's basic economics and the basics of what is called - in Operations Research - a flow shop.

The most constrained part of the TPG world is grader time. You can easily buy another sonic sealing machine. We've seen photos from Charmy's tour of NGC's photography shop - easy to add another workstation and a $1000 camera/lens combo.

But it takes YEARS to train a grader. And they have to live close enough to come into work each day (coin grading really isn't a WFH via email biz). So no matter how much capacity you have in other areas of the shop, the need for 2 or 3 graders to look at each coin, the time per coin and the number of work hours per day and the number of graders available limits what you can produce.

So you set your fees (this is the basic economics part) to cover your costs at that rate (marginal revenue = marginal cost). If you charge more, you are charging monopoly rents.

The rest is left as an exercise for the reader...

PS: The difference between a 'job shop' and a 'flow shop' is that in a job shop, each job is essentially unique. It may use the same set of machines, and be executed multiple times. Think of a Kinko's. Each order uses some or all of the same set of machines, but is different in the number of copies to be made, whether they are loose, stapled, bound, with covers, without covers, etc. Vs. a flow shop where the same sets of operations are done each time... the modeling of the two is very similar, but you have to account for setup time (which can be zero!).

And the lines can blur - which type is an Automobile assembly plant? Each individual car may be effectively unique (lot size of 1), but that uniqueness is handled outside of the main assembly line so placing whichever pre-assembled dashboard in the frame is the same basic operation even if the dashboard assembly itself is unique.
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A cynic might say that a high price is needed so that people believe that it's a professional service carried out by experts. If people stop believing that then the whole concept of coin grading goes out the window.

Basic marketing.






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A cynic might say that a high price is needed so that people believe that it's a professional service carried out by experts. If people stop believing that then the whole concept of coin grading goes out the window.

Basic marketing.


We're talking about the top grading services in the world, not basement slabbers. TPG precisely IS, "a professional service carried out by experts". The prices, while not cheap, are in no way out of line for the coins that are "supposed" to be slabbed professionally. Nice , inexpensive plastic holders have always been available for those want to protect their coins without certification.

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When the concept first came out, at least in the area I lived, people saw it as nothing more than a marketing scheme to make money. Statements such as, "do they think I am stupid enough I cannot grade my own coins," and "what?! actually PAY someone else to tell me what I already know about my coin, "were what I normally heard at the coins shops. There was joking to the effect of, "watch, some day someone will come up with a way to make money by telling people their service will guarantee the grading service did its job right!" This kind of statement was made on a par with such concepts as how people were dumb enough to buy pet rocks.

Please do not take this post as me insulting people. I know there are people who consider these services as vital to life in the hobby. I am only stating what the initial impressions were. To each his own, and all the more power to anyone who likes to collect slabbed coins - its about the fun.

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Coins are a big business. Most coins are essentially commodities. To buy and sell a commodity, you need a widely accepted definition of what it is - and thus the slab.

It's just that simple.

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For me it couldn't be any easier. I just drop them off to my LCS and they call me when the coins come back....only $25 for PCGS/NGC too.
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