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2015 $20 Master Of The Sky: Canada Goose Free Coin

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 Posted 09/22/2015  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Explain to me how the RCM in the last few years, they return about 2 to 3% on their total sales, with most of their profits in the ETF, and bullion departments, yet they allow large dealers around 30% markups. The RCM seems to have too much overhead and give too much dealer discounts for their poor returns on a monopoly business model, there seems to be no real incentive for the RCM to sell directly.
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 Posted 09/22/2015  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I know, the Mint does not publish divisional P&Ls or internal customer cost metrics so it's virtually impossible to say definitely whether or not it is 'cheaper' for them to sell directly or via distributors or even if the NCLT is profitable.

However, and this might be a big assumption, one would expect that the Mint incurs less than 30% of the retail price of a coin to deliver that coin directly to the customer.

That said, I agree the Mint has a ridiculous amount of overhead and waste that has been SOP for years and epitomize by former CEO David Dingwall.
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 Posted 09/22/2015  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justsilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just received my free silver coin from RCM

Be frankly, I am surprised with this big wooden case for small 1 oz Silver Coin.

lol.

p.s. comparison between ordinary clamshell case vs wooden case

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 Posted 09/22/2015  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The facts regarding the profits came mostly from their ETF and bullion depts. came from articles in CCN for what it's worth.
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 Posted 09/22/2015  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John do you happen to have a link to that? I'd be very interested in read it.

I searched and the best I could find was this article from a year ago which says exactly the opposite. That is, they maintain that most of the Mint's profits are coming from NCLT while the other lines are essentially break even at best.

Unfortunately, they do not cite a specific source or report actual profit figures by line so this reads more like an opinion piece than fact based journalism.

http://canadiancoinnews.com/nclt-co...int-profits/
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 Posted 09/22/2015  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Be frankly, I am surprised with this big wooden case for small 1 oz Silver Coin.


The cases looks like similar to cases for 1912-1914 BoC Premium HS gold coins.
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 Posted 09/22/2015  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My memory was when the CCN does a two page article on the RCM yearly report, but surely this article says otherwise but in the end they do return only about 2 to 3 % on gross sales which is tiny for a monopoly outfit. By the way the case is almost better than the coin in this offering.
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 Posted 09/22/2015  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tender4848 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ justsilver...

Did you receive notification from the Mint that you were receiving this coin?

Or did it just show up......
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 Posted 09/22/2015  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justsilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I received e-mail from RCM on Sep 19 regarding coin shipped.

Coin arrived yesterday ( Sep 21 ) by Xpresspost.
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 Posted 09/23/2015  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tender4848 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like I'm just a Platinum Member and won't be receiving this item as a gift

Just found out you have to be a Platinum Plus member to get this item at no charge.

Don't recall anything in my package indicating there was a Platinum Plus level but please correct me if I am wrong. Thought there were 3 levels:

Silver
Gold
Platinum

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 Posted 09/23/2015  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe there is 5 level of MC, but you really are missing nothing as my example above has proven, buy 5000.00 from a 5% discount dealer equals 250.00 who cares over a 99.00 coin and 50.00 box. The RCM just figure we are too dumb to do the math.
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 Posted 09/23/2015  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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but you really are missing nothing as my example above has proven, buy 5000.00 from a 5% discount dealer equals 250.00 who cares over a 99.00 coin and 50.00 box.


You right, John.
But for the people spending multiple thousands on coins, not the CAD 100 coin is important, but the status.
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 Posted 09/23/2015  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I go to a say a Rolex dealer pay 10000.00 for their watch, then a lower end official dealer offers the same item for 60% less I rather have the discount item with the same status.
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 Posted 09/23/2015  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, someone buys those kilo gold coins, the RCM must treat them like a black visa card.
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 Posted 09/23/2015  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scissel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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By the way the case is almost better than the coin in this offering.

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Me, I think it's a nice looking coin.
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