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Pillar of the Community
United States
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4 years ago there were dozens of these shops in the mid-sized city in which I reside and there were many more establishments that had signs posted prominently in their storefronts. Now there are only a half dozen or so left. I expect that the slump in precious metals prices combined with their scorched earth policies in buying everything at extremely low prices has been a major factor in their closing. Note that I'm not talking about coin dealers, my definition of a "We Buy Gold" shop is an establishment that exclusively buys precious metals, coin collections, and other collectables from the community but does not have cater to retail sales (i.e. they mostly sold to wholesalers or on ebay) What has been your observations? Is there still "Traveling Roadshows" advertising in your local papers looking to purchase collectables? I've heard these dealers were the worst of the worst in ripping inherited collections from widows and uninformed heirs.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I would agree, but they are still around. Twenty years ago, most reputable jewelry shops wouldn't have "We buy All Gold - Jewelry, Scrap and Coins" signs in their windows, but they are everywhere today. Used to be only coin dealers did that. And we have at least two who advertise regularly on the radio in the Chicago area. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Almost funny how they are all vanishing. Where I live I used to see signs everywhere saying we buy Gold. Now I haven't seen even one anywhere. Not in pawn shops, hobby stores, coin stores or anywhere. Just one of those typical fads.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1316 Posts |
I think that much of this has to do with the drop of the value of gold recently in two ways.
First, with the lower value, fewer people may be sellers as they wait for values to come back up. Without sellers, these buyers have nothing to play their numbers game with and disappear.
Secondly, the math of the game they sought to play is not sustainable at the moment, especially on the backside of a massive price drop. When gold was up by $2,000, IF they bought at 50% (I'm sure being discounts are all over the map from these guys), they would have inventory valued at $1,000 and would make $1,000 for overhead and profit when they sold it at that point. Now that gold has dropped to $1200ish, if they buy again at 50%, they have inventory valued at $600. But what about old inventory? If that buyer still has the $1,000 gold on hand, he now only makes $200. If he can still sell the $600 right now, he'll get $800 on the sale of the inventory, but that might not be enough to cover expenses on a store opened when gold was selling for around $2,000.
On these tighter margins, for a business to stay open, they will need to hold a larger market share to generate enough transactions for the net profit to be enough to stay open, which is tough to do if no one is selling to them in hopes values return to historic highs. As a few shops take the majority of the market share, it pushes many of the others out. Once gold starts swinging up again, the numbers change such that stores will open again.
Edited by Collects82 09/26/2015 8:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
757 Posts |
I just got a flyer in the mail for a 2 day we buy gold and silver show at a local vfw. Those bulk mailings are not very cheap. I did a little digging and the guy is from north carolina, so he has to cover gas, lodging, advertising, rental of the space, and still make a profit.
I'm gonna go and hand out cards offering a second opinion
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Pillar of the Community
United States
757 Posts |
I stopped at the local fly by night place that blanket mailed the area and within 10 minutes I saw how they were able to turn enough profit to survive. I took a 5oz hand poured englehard bar with me and 6.43 DWT of 18k gold. The basically pushed the bar away and said "silver is so low that it wasn't worth their time to deal with it" Doing me a favor they would offer me $20.00 for the bar. I played the ignorant fool and asked about them selling on ebay for hundreds of dollar a bar and they said "being so small they would have to melt it and pour it into 100oz because those are the only bars that sell". I took it back and put the gold on the table they checked hallmarks put it on the scale and said straight faced $70 dollar. I asked how much it weighed and he said 9 grams. I played dumb again and asked isn't gold weight it DWT and he said his scale was only a gram scale. I just thanked him and walked away. When I first walked in they were in the process of buying some coins from an old lady. I looked over her shoulder and saw 2 walkers, 2 SLQ, 2 Washington quarters, 2 Mercury dimes, and 3 Roosevelt dimes. They gave her $5.00. I was just about sick to my stomach seeing them rob people blind like that.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1188 Posts |
Wow Dave, I understand the shop needs to make a profit but ripping people off like that is awful. I bet you had a hard time not blurting something out to warn that lady.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
757 Posts |
I bit my tongue, but it was hard. A dealer friend of mine went today and right before they hit him with the super low ball offer the one guy recognized him and stopped the deal. He blew up at them and called them out with other people in the room. He said the other people grabbed their stuff and walked out and took his card in the parking lot. They also said they would call their friends and warn them. That's the good thing about small towns word travels fast, so hopefully they don't come around again.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2624 Posts |
I used to work in a pawnbrokers about 15 years ago when we would be buying 9ct at £1 a gram and 18ct at £2 a gram (The actual melt price was about £4 a gram for 18ct at the time so we were doubling out money every time we bought something) Given that this was often about 10% of the price people had bought their gold for (9ct was retailing at £10 a gram and 18ct at £20 a gram at the time)it wasn't so easy to buy gold.
Fast forwards a few years later and the melt price had overtaken the retail prices that people had paid. All of a sudden the big bracelets and chains were out of fashion and well worth cashing in. It is no wonder there was a boom in shops that bought gold... not only that but lots of individuals had flyers printed and were making money out of this too. You could offer quite a generous price and still earn more out of it than before and it was easy to get people to sell.
I regret it but I sold about 20 sovereigns and a lot of 18ct jewellery that would now be too expensive to replace... but I like many others needed the money at the time.
Now most people have cashed the items that they were willing to sell and the price has dropped back, so it is not easy money any more. Not only is there less volume out there but the offers aren't as attractive and people are not suffering financially as badly as they were back then.
I see this from both sides, having taken pressure from a boss in the past that wanted me to buy stuff at ridiculously low prices and also seeing things from the customers side. The double whammy is where jewellery is concerned most people who buy retail are paying 3 times what the items cost in the trade and given that jewellers can buy at this trade price they want to pay half that sort of price for a secondhand item since they could go out and buy a new one pretty cheaply. This makes it look to the average person like they are being ripped off when they come to sell, in truth most of the rip off occurred when they acquired the items in the first place.
I think maybe I am too fair both when buying and when selling... nobody else is so that puts me at quite a disadvantage!
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