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New Member
New Zealand
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Valued Member
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I am a not quite sure you have a genuine coin here. I hope I am wrong but at quick glance has an odd look to it. Date seems a tad 'off' as well.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I didn't like the look of this one when I first saw it, but I didn't say anything until someone else had the same suspicions.
To be honest, my first thought was an electrotype, but there is no seam on the edge. It just "looks" off, but I won't say one way or another. It could just be the lighting setup for your pictures.
However, your coin does have a slightly off-center strike, and that is a good sign.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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unfortunately it's a piece of junk
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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5 main Sheldon varieties for 1795 of which 2 are R8 so I was going to look at 76B/78/77 -- but the legend and date are just wrong, the cap pole is wrong, the whole coin is just wrong. It looks like someone was attempting to copy a S-78 obverse and bunged it up badly.
My opinion is that it is a very poorly executed forgery, probably from the no no site.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Valued Member
United States
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Off the bat nets VG -ask the guy on the phone to give it a light ring tap test-lol. Must ring like a bell .Not sure why pole seems not to attach to denticle* as a S78 should-common date though-but gets rarer in higher than xF grade. Coin is fake ? Damaged is certain. There are pit marks---and that tells me Genuine--. Make sure u pay via paypal and u can return coin exactly as is in 15 days. If coin is real--like I think with the damage its worth $400 or a bit less. its a ok coin iv seen worse
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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Closest is S-78, but the pole is too far from bust (and too thin), and it should touch a dentil. I am not convinced.
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United States
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My opinion is that it is a very poorly executed forgery, probably from the no no site. No. It's actually one of the better one's I've seen, 5x better than any on thr no no site (I just checked). Now that everyone is calling it a fake, I'll say what initially looked off. - The rim flattens on the upper obverse and lower reverse. Never seen that on a genuine large cent in this grade. I see it all the time in fakes. - The rim has a raised lip, which, unless it's damage, immediately says fake as it means the coin was stuck in a collar, which didn't happen until the 1830's. - The surfaces just look weird; almost too clean. - The pictures make it look like something funky is going on with the relief. |
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Valued Member
United States
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S78 certainly does has flat rims on upper part--u can see this clearly in the deluxe Red Book sample. I think after proper treatment coin could be lookin really good. Coin has the dipped cleaned look. Porous level 3. As long as u contact the owner and guarantees a refund in a window of 15 days then its good. Pay via paypal. Coins like these make people uneasy. I believe its Genuine |
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United States
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My coin looked like this--- when I got it in the holder. Now u can compare---I think your very safe here. Enjoy your new coin--hope u got a good deal  |
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 New Zealand
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Hi Guys. I really appreciate the input. I do not collect American coins at all and have no knowlege of types etc. This turned up in an interesting collection I found in an old safe I bought after The earthquakes in NZ 4 years ago. I have been using the safe but was unable to open one small drawer. Opened it last week to find about 30 old coins and odd but not valuable jewellry. The coins were an odd mix of english georgian right up to 1940s NZ silver. No gold or anything spectacular. The mix of material was oddball and nothing seemed to relate to anything else. The safe is historic and is in my collection. I use it every day. Unfortunately my images of this cent appear strange in comparison to the actual coin. I am about to takeoff to work (its 6.25am here) and will try to post realistic images tonight. Again, I appreciate the help...........Cheers
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Comparing OP's coin to a 1793 is not useful. A real 1795 S-78 (graded F12 by PCGS):   Side by side with OP's coin:  Compare the thickness of the cap pole, the position and style of the date, and the thickness and spacing of the legend. Also note the characteristic S-78 weak rim, which remains weak even in AU and better grades. OP's coin has AU50 detail in some areas but not in others. If this is a genuine coin, I wonder if what we're seeing is the result of tooling and polishing. And yes, Typecoin, on further review, I think I did underestimate the quality. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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New Zealand
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New Member
New Zealand
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I hope my new images help one way or the other. I took the coin out into natural sunlight.
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Valued Member
United States
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I was thinking so ----- looks like a great coin--- don't scratch it !
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
Much better pictures!
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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