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Sweden's New Banknotes

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 Posted 10/05/2016  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also: Doing a market analysis (checking new notes on sale on Tradera), only C-notes seem to exist so far.

The biggest ATM company has started upgrading their ATMs to dispense the new notes, and will release the location of upgraded ATMs at some point soon.
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What are typical ATMs like in Sweden? What are maximum limits, and are there more than one denomination in each machine?

It is rare enough to get a $50 that Wells Fargo took out this brief video in 2013 to tell people that they were only putting these machines in popular locations that tended to run out of cash.

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I think, not entirely sure, but maximum withdrawal limits are usually 5000 SEK per transaction.

Before the introduction of the 200 SEK note 100 and 500 SEK notes were always dispensed. 1000 SEK notes have never been dispensed as far as I can remember. Today, not all ATMs have been upgraded to dispense 200 SEK notes but most do.

I'm kind of surprised the US$50 note has such a low usage in the US, or that (most) ATMs only dispense $20 notes. Perhaps that is getting changed now?

Formerly, there used to be fairly long queues to ATMs. With the decrease of cash usage in Sweden, so have the queues but but these still persist. As recent as today I had to use a different ATM because of a slowly moving queue at the community's main ATM. Swedes are still regular visitors to the ATms but often it is only to check ones balance, rather than actually withdrawing money. This practice is decreasing though with mobile bank apps.
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I was reading that Greece has the €60/day withdrawal limit, but since the ATMs are not stocked with the €10 and €20, and nobody will dispense cash at tellers, they are de facto limited to €50/day.

I think the new $20 Tubman banknote will make the $50 Grant more popular. She may have been an amazing woman in real life, but the new banknote is not attractive. Besides $50 today has the same purchasing power as $20 in 1982, and ATMs were already pretty common by 1982. But the USA has gotten so addicted to the $20 that they simply have them everywhere.

Sweden lists 3285 ATMs in the entire country for 2015 in their BIS report, which is about 1 terminal for 3000 people. USA has over 400,000 ATMS. But in the USA over-the-counter withdrawals (2.1 billion in 2012), have an average value of $715. As I understand it over the counter withdrawals are almost zero in Sweden.

Sweden only holds 2.6% of banknotes and coins in banks. Partly because the negative interest rates make holding cash by commercial banks obscenely expensive. In the USA it is 6% and in Japan it is 9.2%.

ATM cash withdrawal SEK billion (Domestic cards only)
2013-218.47kr 2014-207.74kr 2015-153.26kr

So 153 billion SEK means about 15 withdrawals on average per person per year of roughly 1000kr apiece.

At the end of 2015 there were 100 million of the old 500kr banknotes, a number which has been reduced to 80 million by the end of August. If the Riksbank has only ordered 50 million of the new 500kr banknote, then I think that ATMs will have a hard time supporting 5000kr maximum withdrawal limit.

I don't know if the Riksbank has only ordered 50 million notes, but the serial numbers for a given year only go up to 50 million. So it will be interesting if some serial numbers start with C and some start with D.
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@X2an
Thanks for the pictures. Very interesting


I, too, have heard that greek ATMs only dispense €50 notes. I am still baffled by it.
Here in Germany, ATMs (almost always) dispense €10, €20 and €50 notes. Many ATMs also dispense €5. Some even €100 (instead of the €5). One can usually even choose the mix at withdrawl.
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The Bank for International Settlements in Zurich says that Germany has an ATM for every 900+ people (which is typical for Europe outside of Sweden)

But they divide them into two types with the ones with cash withdrawal function 2x as common as the other.
ATMs with a cash withdrawal function
ATMs with a credit transfer function

I am not familiar with that second type of ATM as I don't believe that they exist in the USA. In Britain a small percentage of the ATMs have the secondary function, but they ALL permit cash withdrawals.

Certainly ATMs exist in casinos that can distribute every single denomination of cash and also coins (including pennies and nickels). But they are obviously expensive. It is much more common to be limited to one denomination (usually $20) and in some cases two types.
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But they divide them into two types with the ones with cash withdrawal function 2x as common as the other.
ATMs with a cash withdrawal function
ATMs with a credit transfer function


I am not quite sure what they (BIS) mean by it.
However, I can tell you that basically every bank branch and office has ''banking terminals'' here in Germany. They have the size and look of ATMs. But with a real full-sized key-pad. You put your bankcard into the terminal, add your pin-code, and then get access to your bank account. Then, you can check your balance and more importantly, you can (electronically) transfer money from your bank account to another bank account. Mostly used to pay power, gas, water or insurance bills, certain taxes, big ticket items, ectr. Remember, no-one in Germany uses checks (like they still seem to do in the USA). These terminals are basically an early form of online banking.
These banking terminals are wildly used over here.
But I can't recall that I have ever seen bank-terminals with ATM function (money withdrawal). Terminals and ATMs are usually at the same place but seperate machines.

A couple of weeks ago, I checked the number of ATMs in Germany. The figure was 68.000 (give or take a thousand). What do BIS say?

Moreover, do you have figures for withdrawals from ATMs and over the bank counter here in Germany?


Lastly, I still believe that Riksbank ordered at least 20% more banknotes than were in circulation in the last year before the change of series.
It's nice to have reserves.
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Here are the numbers for the end of 2015. I've included numbers for Belgium and U.K. for comparison.

POS is an abbreviation for Point of Sale

The terms are a little confusing as there are no statistics supplied for the USA. To me an ATMs primary function is to withdraw cash and to accept deposits. They also will allow you to transfer cash between accounts. The BIS report also states E-money products have not been widely adopted in the United States.
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Germany Terminals located in the country
85,886 ATMs
57,868 ATMs with a cash withdrawal function
27,682 ATMs with a credit transfer function

998,846 POS terminals 4,5
662,221 of which: EFTPOS terminals

448,833 E-money card terminals
61,115 e-money card loading/unloading terminals
387,715 e-money card payment terminals 5

4 Encompasses only terminals with reference to the German scheme "Girocard". To avoid double-counting, the number of terminals includes the most widespread scheme only, since terminals usually accept different card brands.

5 Only active terminals (terminals with at least one transaction in the reference period). Figures collected by Deutsche Kreditwirtschaft (DK).
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Belgium Terminals located in the country
15,634 ATMs 4, 5
8,395 ATMs with a cash withdrawal function
7,911 ATMs with a credit transfer function

185,281 POS terminals 5
185,281 of which: EFTPOS terminals
4,306 E-money card terminals5
3,924 e-money card loading/unloading terminals
382 e-money card payment terminals

4 Each function is counted separately (to avoid double-counting, categories should not be summed).

5 From 2014, data provided directly by banks and payment institutions.
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United Kingdom Terminals located in the country
70,300 ATMs
70.300 ATMs with a cash withdrawal function
8.400 ATMs with a credit transfer function
1,958,400 POS terminals 4
nav of which: EFTPOS terminals
nav E-money card terminals 5

4 Estimate of total number of POS terminals in the United Kingdom. Most accept both credit and debit cards.

5 All major e-money trials in the United Kingdom finished by end-2000.
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About the BIS - overview
Established on 17 May 1930, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) is the world's oldest international financial organisation. The BIS has 60 member central banks, representing countries from around the world that together make up about 95% of world GDP. The head office is in Basel, Switzerland and there are two representative offices: in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China and in Mexico City. The mission of the BIS is to serve central banks in their pursuit of monetary and financial stability, to foster international cooperation in those areas and to act as a bank for central banks.


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Moreover, do you have figures for withdrawals from ATMs and over the bank counter here in Germany?


Germany it is 27 ATM withdrawals per capita per year for an average of 168 euros (2015). Considerably higher than USA 18 per capita for $118 per year (2012)

In the USA over the counter (at bank teller) withdrawals average $715 apiece for the same year and cumulatively are 220% of the ATM withdrawals for the same year (2012). That number did not come from BIS so I don't know what the equivalent is in other countries, but I imagine it would be a whole lot less in Germany. My father is age 82 and has never used an ATM in his life.

The US numbers come from a federal reserve study that is done every three years and will be updated December 2016.
https://www.frbservices.org/communi...esearch.html


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Lastly, I still believe that Riksbank ordered at least 20% more banknotes than were in circulation in the last year before the change of series.
It's nice to have reserves.

Your statement seems to be a logical assumption and for most countries 20% is conservative. For instance the UK was circulating about 350 million 5 pound notes and they had 440 million new polymer ones produced (which is about an extra 25%)

As I said, the Riksbank considers production numbers a state secret. Now in most countries questions like that have to be answered under Freedom of Information Act requests, but possibly Sweden is different. Since everyone trusts the government nobody wants to pry. I know that there is at least one high profile pro-cash group in Sweden that is not happy with the current trend.

If there was a website where Swedes posted serial numbers, then the production quantities would probably be obvious with a few thousand serial numbers. Since circulation of the 20kr banknote is just short of 50 million, it would be a simple matter to determine if they all had the same "year letter (A or B or C)" If they all have the same letter in their serial number then there are only 50 million possible combinations.

If all the 500kr banknotes have a letter C in their serial number, then only 50 million different serial numbers are possible.

It would be eye opening if the Swedish government printed fifty million 1000kr banknotes and is circulating less than three million. The Riksbank has missed their inflation target for the last three years.

I have been told point blank by some Swedes that Swedish currency levels shouldn't be of interest to someone who doesn't live there. But like many things, when one country undertakes an experiment, other countries are watching to see the outcome. That is why the BIS publishes their 600 page red-book every year so that countries can compare statistics. Sweden certainly led the world into negative interest rates which were only theoretical a few years ago.
http://www.bis.org/cpmi/publ/d152.htm

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When the Bank of Canada announced that they were going to try and eliminate their $1000 banknote, they promised that a "good supply" of smaller denomination notes would replace the larger note. Obviously the Riksbank makes no such offer.

So far the ECB has more than replaced the 10% reduction in 500 Euro banknotes with smaller denominations.
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Bank of Canada Media Relations 8 May 2000
The Bank of Canada announced today that, effective May 12, it will stop issuing $1000 bank notes and will begin to withdraw them from circulation. The $1000 notes will be withdrawn over time with the help of financial institutions, which have been asked to return the notes to the Bank of Canada as they are deposited or exchanged by the public. All $1000 notes returned to the Bank of Canada will be destroyed. The Bank of Canada will ensure that a good supply of notes of lower denominations is available to replace the discontinued notes.
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Do you know how old she was when that portrait was done?
(regarding Greta Garbo's portrait on the 100kr note)


Approximately 26 years old. The portrait is taken from a photograph by Clarence Sinclair Bull taken in connection with the movie ''Susan Lenox - Her Rise and Fall,'' which was made in 1931.

Thanks for taking the time to post the statistics in the post above. It's appreciated!

I wonder where the ''27,682 ATMs with a credit transfer function'' are? I just can't recall seeing one, let alone using one.



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My father is age 82 and has never used an ATM in his life.

My father is also in his early 80s and has never used an ATM either.
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It would be eye opening if the Swedish government printed fifty million 1000kr banknotes and is circulating less than three million.


Honestly, I think this would be the case. Consider the fact that plenty of €100, €200 and €500 still have the first signature of the president of the ECB. I.e. notes are printed in advance before being released according to commercial demand.

Today I finally found an ATm dispensing the remaining new notes. I withdrew 600 SEK, consisting of 1x100 SEK and 1x500 SEK, giving me my first new 500 SEK note and completing my hunt for all new banknotes!

Sweden's-New-Banknotes
Sweden's-New-Banknotes

These notes also had only C-prefixes. Seems like it's the only one to found on this year's release. I'll keep this thread updated if I find something else!

A bit of a summary of the new note series
All notes of the new series together:
Sweden's-New-Banknotes

Large and colourful digits all help to make identify the notes easier
Sweden's-New-Banknotes
Sweden's-New-Banknotes

Unlike the last series, digit placement is consistent throughout the whole series.
Sweden's-New-Banknotes

All notes have the same height to make handling easier for cash machines, registers etc., width increases with about 7 mm per higher denominaton. This also physically distinguishes them from eachother.
Sweden's-New-Banknotes

The new SPARK colour-shifting ink and its appearance on all notes. The denomination is featured in the image.
Sweden's-New-Banknotes

Other than that, demonetization of Sweden's most used notes is due on July 1st 2017. After that, the new notes (and coins) will rule.

Old notes can still and will be redeemable at the Riksbank via mail for an administrative fee of 100 SEK. Payment is done to one's bank account and redeemal is not avalible at the Riksbank's office.
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Consider the fact that plenty of €100, €200 and €500 still have the first signature of the president of the ECB. I.e. notes are printed in advance before being released according to commercial demand.


Wim Duisenberg was President of the European Central Bank who was in office from 1 July 1998 - 1 November 2003 which covers the first two years of

Value of notes produced (€ millions)
€103,613 in 2003
€115,005 in 2002
€371,000 printed prior to 2002

That's close to €600 billion printed with his signature. So I would not be surprised if there are many of those notes left.

5 euro note on 2 May 2013.

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@X2an:
Thanks for the pictures!!
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Today I saw the first new 100-kr note being passed on at a supermarket. Saw an old lady receiving one while waiting for my turn. Considering they are being dispensed at ATMs right now, I'm not surprised.
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How will you personally feel if they replace both the 100kr and 500kr with a much smaller number of banknotes, and increase the number of 200kr banknotes? That would be more like the American, Canadian and British system. As a practical matter I think it would be difficult to keep 5000kr or higher ATM withdrawal limits.

As of End of September 2016
Denom : Millions in circulation
20 kr : 48.3
50 kr : 18.9
100 kr : 52.1
200 kr : 26.0
500 kr : 77.6
1000 kr : 2.8
TOTAL : 225.7
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How will you personally feel if they replace both the 100kr and 500kr with a much smaller number of banknotes, and increase the number of 200kr banknotes? That would be more like the American, Canadian and British system.


I absolutely love the introduction of two 2x denominations. That means more different pieces of currency in circulation, making everything more interesting!

Otherwise, I'm accepting the decrease of cash in circulation, as I feel there's nothing I can do about it.
I'm not happy about it, I think it's pretty clear now that I much prefer to see a lot of circulating cash but it seems to be public apathy, after all.
I didn't much like that the 1000-SEK note became very rare in circulation but that's that. And besides, most of the old notes "out there" are most likely just not circulating, atleast not frequently. The initial amount now being introduced should be enough for circulation as of now, but when people start stashing away cash, the demand might rise. Or it might simply not. My point being that the small amount being released now is large enough to fulfill circulation demands, similar of what's today. I feel like I won't be affected a lot, if at all.
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