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Fake Swiss 5 Francs?

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 Posted 10/03/2015  6:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tom007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do you think? Bad purchase?:

Fake-Swiss-5-Francs?

Fake-Swiss-5-Francs?
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 Posted 10/03/2015  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add plonker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks ok to me, few obvious questions,
weight ? magnetic ? where was it purchased ?
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Weights dead on, not magnetic, diameter is perfect yadda yadda yadda...

And, it was purchased online. Just looking for others opinions before I try and sell it as authentic.
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Just looking for others opinions before I try and sell it as authentic.

I object to this mind.

Just learn it as a lesson if you buy a fake. This is a precious experience.
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If weight, diameter and thickness are the same as a real one, there are few (if any) alloys or metal combinations that could emulate the real thing and would not be worth the effort for a counterfeiter unless the coin is a much higher premium than the melt value. That being said, my estimation is that this one is XF+ to AU with rim damage and the catalogue lists it at $400 in XF and $800 in Unc. That would definitely be an incentive for a counterfeiter to use the real 90% silver alloy. The rim damage is unusual and the field behind her shoulder and between the letters of HELVETICA appears bumpy in the picture, which could be toning, but do a close examination of all the fields for any bumpiness or bubble-like blemishes, which would indicate a cast fake. Those cast fakes are being made in China by the thousands. These counterfeiting operations buy a genuine high premium coin, cast a mold and use the actual alloy of the coin when casting. Absolutely frightening, but it is happening more and more because it is so profitable. If you got it for cheap, more evidence that it isn't genuine, but that doesn't prove anything. If I had gotten that coin on the cheap, I would have it certified before offering it for sale.
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Now this opinion isn't based on much more than a gut feeling, but to me, the surfaces on this coin just have the look of a Chinese counterfeit; it's that dull grey tone that I see on nearly every such fake coin.

I'm also fairly sure that these early Swiss 5 Francs are in fact heavily counterfeited as well. This is a type of coin that really ought to be certified.
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