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1984 Lincoln Memorial Cent DDO

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 Posted 01/15/2008  4:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add honestabe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Alright, I think I finally found some real doubling. Here is the 1984 Lincoln Cent DDO I found today. I'll try to get a better picture.
Yeah!

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01/16/2008 09:54 am
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 Posted 01/15/2008  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow...based on what I see...congrats! Did you find that in change? cool!
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Yes, I found it in a roll today. It looked normal but when I got the glass out it looked different. Never hurts to check with the glass.
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 Posted 01/15/2008  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice...is there any doubling to LIBERTY too?
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 Posted 01/15/2008  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add honestabe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, there is doubling in LIBERTY. These are the best pics I can get.
Definitely doubling in the L,I,B,and E, probably slightly. Are you thinking it is a FS #1c - 039 URS-9?

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The pictures are still hard for me to view, but I'm leaning Mechanical Doubling. I'm just not seeing the definition I want.
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I don't see anything in the images either. I would need to see a closer view to be convinced. Its not the biggie with the doubled ear. But the images may not be showing what you see?
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What about Strike Doubling? No, it does not have the double ear.
Here are some images taken from the right side. The earlier ones were taken from the left.

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Looks like a true doubled die to me- yet again I'm not an expert.

If that's Machine Doubling maybe I'll stick with collecting books!
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Most of you guys and gals know that I don't know my Lincoln from a hole in the ground.

To me that looks like an extreme case of Machine Doubling....I would think if it were a doubled die, with the seperation there you would definitely see split serifs and they may be there, but I don't see them from these pictures.
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Sorry but no die doubling on that coin.

There is one beside the doubled ear DDO that has distinct doubling on the lower right of the date and nice doubling across the entire bottom of the bust.

This one is not it.
This is a normal looking coin with a form of doubling that is often seen on plated cents. The plating moves a little over the surface of the coin causing a doubling effect. The easiest place to see that on your coin is in the area of WE TRUST.

Thanks,
Bill
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Bill, given the distance of doubling on the lower loop of the "8," if that is Machine Doubling, it is the most radical machine double I've seen.

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Something(s) from the web:

http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...Doubling.htm

http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglos...cal_doub.htm

Definition: Mechanical Doubling, also called Machine Doubling or Strike Doubling, a form of doubling which appears on a coin and is easily confused with doubled die strikes. On a true doubled die coin, the doubling comes from a mistake in the process used to make the coin die itself. In mechanical, or Machine Doubling, the doubled image results from mechanical issues during the striking of the coin, such as the coin shifting during striking, or the die itself being jarred out of position as a result of vibration or improper coin press maintenance. Mechanical, machine, and Strike Doubling are all considered by purists to be forms of damage, and are therefore not collectible as an error coin.
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If this is a doubled die, and I can't tell from the pics do to bluriness, in the first pic, you should clearly see notches where the devices seperate from one to the other, but rather it looks like a "slide" of the device which means Machine Doubling.
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I don't see any notching, but I don't think I can get a clear enough picture to see notching. What I do see when I hold the coin is two separate 8's and one of the 8's is on the inside of the main 8 and to the left of the main 8. The lines are raised on both 8's and there is separation of the 8's. The left 8 does not rise up as high as the main 8, but there is definitely a small separation (dark area) between the two. And on the left hand side there is definite separation. But if you hold the coin and look straight at it, the second 8 disappears mostly and you can only see a faint outline of that 8 to the side of the main 8. But if you tilt it to the right and look at it from 7:00, the two 8's are definitely separated. I think this is due to oxidation, somewhat. Also, the 4 is definitely doubled and so is the 9. The 4 that is underneath the main 4 is tilted. The 9's are very close to each other and there is a small area of separation, but not much. The 1 has a dark line running down it. And the LIBE of LIBERTY is slightly doubled with secondary letters to the left of the main letters, but only slightly(very hard to see for a novice like me).

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Thanks for the confirmation Bill. The plating is definitely showing some issues with the texture of the coin.
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