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Are Die Cracks Worth Collecting? 2012-D Hawaii Volcancos

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This looks like a scratch on the coin, so it'd be post-mint damage.
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Not a die crack there. Someone took something sharp and probably deliberately scratched the coin. Just spend it.
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The die crack is raised, and the back of the coin is raised from the obverse die crack.
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The die crack is raised, and the back of the coin is raised from the obverse die crack.


If it is raised, I don't understand how it can be a scratch...I do not see an indented line, even alongside so as to push the metal up. I don't understand what you mean by the back of the coin being raised. Can you capture that in a photo?
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That is a deep cut on the coin itself, not a die crack. Angular cuts will vertically displace the metal, making it appear as a raised feature. It is also worth noting that dies do not form long cracks in a smooth linear manner, cracks are progressive and tend to be jagged with peripheral chipping.
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I have photos of the reverse. The photos do not pick up the raised area very well. Perhaps distorted area is more precise. The volcano erupting is a "busy" design, but some doubling along the reverse from the die crack can be seen in the photo. Area goes from upper left to lower right through upper right side of cone.



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I have seen coin with straight lines between struck areas and non struck area. Yes die cracks are usually jagged. Why would there be a deep cut in the die?
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IMO it's from a die scratch.
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Biggest scratch I've seen. Use die scratches to ID an error coin.
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Could this be a tooling mark?
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I agree with biokemist6. The die was somehow damaged/cut.

Keep it. It will be interesting to see how many more turn up.
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I agree with biokemist6. The die was somehow damaged/cut.


That is not what he said! He said:

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That is a deep cut on the coin itself


I understand that a cut on a coin will raise metal, but the cut should still be visible and I still do not see it!

Any way to get a highly magnified view of the cut/scratch/crack?
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I would like to see a closer shot of the mark on the obverse. It looks incuse to me. But it looks rounded like a struck through wire. A scratch on a coin with a knife would leave a flat mark and not rounded.
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Yes, coop - that is what I am looking for: on your experiment, the incision is clear and so is the pressure ridge along it. Maybe it is just the lighting, but I do not see that on the OP and it also appears to be raised and rounded.
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Pete I think the original image is almost like the old stare at the poster to find the hidden image. If you look at the R you can see the start of the cut. Down towards trust the lighting starts to kick in and you can see the right side valley wall and the shadow down the center of the cut line. In the shoulder neck area the lighting is being played with again and the shadow goes from the center to almost the left side of the valley wall. If you look at the bottom of the bust you can see the end of the cut highlighted by light pretty good.

Now on the other hand I may be looking at in reverse and seeing a cut instead of a raised area.

I took a quarter and a pocket knife and made almost the same exact cut. I'm gonna play around with some pictures and lighting and I'm fairly certain I can duplicate the posted picture.
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