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I would not trust it. All the Chinese junk flooding our market.
For some reason, I don't like it. Date looks weird as well as devices.
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 The date does not match any Newcomb. Curl is wrong....etc.... |
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I trust the previous two posters' opinions, so I'll add onto them.
My initial impression was that something was not right. I still can't put my finger on it, but the coin looks "flat" and lifeless. If this is counterfeit (and the evidence seems to be saying it is), it is a fantastic one and verydeceptive, nothing like the stuff coming out of China. This is most likely an olderUS-made counterfeit. Research diagnostics for something like this should be known. If it is not known, the world should be made aware.
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I must say I do not like it. The nominal weight for these was 10,89 grams. Even accounting for wear the O.P coin is much too light. Furthermore, notice the date shows anomalies vs. a genuine specimen (pictured is the 1857 L.D in my collection). My conclusion: not genuine.  |
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I can't find it on the no no site. Might be an old counterfeit.
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Thank you to everyone for responding. I am a novice and this is disappointing. I definitely want someone (an expert) to look at this coin. Should I submit it to one of the houses or what would you suggest? It is very interesting the lengths at which people will alter or forge key coins. I did try a rare earth magnet on it and no attarction at all. I also want to weigh it on a preceision scale at some point. Thanks again.....
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Edited by TypeCoin971793
10/09/2015 3:21 pm
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Thank you TypeCoin971793. I did with pictures. I appreciate your help. Pat
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The hair below the bust is a dead giveaway when compared to a real N-1 Large Date (the only Large Date variety.) The leftmost hair lock below the bust doesn't even have a curl. No amount of circulation wear would cause that.
It's also missing the diagnostic "denticle notch" below the 1st 8 present on most early to mid die stage N-1's. Grellman notes that the denticle notch can disappear in LDS/VLDS but LDS shows field issues left of the face and rust pitting on reverse legend, neither of which are present here. (The PCGS plate coin for 1857 N-1 is actually an LDS coin, where you can see the field erosion, notch disappeared, and rust pits on reverse legend.)
My opinion (and only opinion, not fact) is that this coin is a forgery.
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There is only one 1857 large date variety. Look at Germanicvs's coin. See the strong point of the curl coming down just to rght of center of the 8. Your coin is missing that curl entirely. The positioning of the 5 below the curl is different. The genuine 57 large date has the top of another 1 showing strongly in the denticeles below the left side of the 8. It shows clearly on Germanicvs's coi n but is missing on yours. Also the dies were not used very long on the 1857 cents and they typically have strong well formed denticals. Yours does not. It also has a porous appearnence. I would say 99.99% chance it is a fake.
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