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 Posted 10/16/2015  12:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add upc239 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

Would appreciate your thoughts on the real grade of this coin. I'm assuming that this is a proof or proof like?

Thanks

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 Posted 10/16/2015  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upc239 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the obverse in case its needed. Apologies for newbieness of this post.

Bought this recently without doing enough research on NGC naming conventions. Still love the coin, proof or not.

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 Posted 10/16/2015  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add qbvbsite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe ICCS would grade this MS-66/67 Numismatic BU (think its usually a grade or 2 lower then NGC)

Edit: Removed wrong information SPP corrected me below
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It's a nice coin. Odd, though, how it's backwards in the slab. Is this common with Canadian coins graded by NGC?
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I confess to not being a Canadian specialist.

This coin is not a proof, but potentially something better.
Maybe a specimen coin,
but I think it is a very early strike off a specimen business strike die. Perhaps specially picked out my Mint employees, and thus has not seen circulation.

Potentially scarcer than a proof, but not as recognized by collectors, and therefore perhaps an unsung hero, and may always be, unfortunately.

Perhaps a moot point: the difference and what I think it may be.

As for the grade? I will have to run with the TPG; it is hard for me to grade from the posted picture, after a coin has been slabbed, what with reflections, electrostatically attracted dust and whatever.
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 Posted 10/16/2015  03:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, they stopped doing PL in 2010 and replaced them with regular circulation coins in the packs, so this is either a Proof, Specimen or a really nice business strike.
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 Posted 10/16/2015  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking proof.
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That is a business strike, produced at the Winnipeg mint facility. It was probably packaged in a coin set afterwards. The RCM stopped making PL strikes in Ottawa in 2010. Specimen strikes have lined fields and mirrored devices. There is a base metal proof strike from 2015, in the coloured flag 25c proof set, and has ultra heavy cameo devices.

You have a pretty good business strike. But these higher grades are commonly found with the plated coins in the past few years. Here is a 50-cent I pulled out of a 2014 Loon dollar newborn set... it was nice enough to send to PCGS.

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32839426
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Thanks for that information SPP I was unaware of the PL stopping. I also checked my current charlton and there is no more NC MS-## after 2010. once again SPP your the man :).
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@SPP - Thanks for the great info. Is there a good chance ICCS or CSSS would grade this as a MS-6x, business strike?

And sorry for this question, but you mentioned these coins are commonly found with plated coins. Can someone send me a link to info about plated coins? (new term for me, still learning).

Thanks again
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Plated coins are the nickel-plated steel coins currently produced for circulation by the RCM
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