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Investing In The Future - Canadian Coins Or Bills

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I somewhat inadvertently started a thread drift on a US topic so I thought I would introduce it properly here.

What would you purchase now that in 10-20 years you would take to a coin dealer or an auction house and not be dismissed outright? What are the Canadin coins ( or bills) that you would buy now and your children would thank you for your astute purchase in the future?
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I might be a bit biased but I am going to say silver and gold will have some value
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 Posted 10/16/2015  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1858 20 cent piece for numismatics.


Silver over gold for the bullion. Both will have value obviously, silver will appreciate more as a percentage over a larger portion of time than gold going forward.
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1907H large cent in AU and better condition
1925 small cent in EF and better condition
1938 silver dollar in mint state condition
Any pre-1967 specimen coins
Nickel dollars in MS-65 or better (last of the voyageur dollars, and being sucked into the alloy recovery program)
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In my experience, the coin market is larger than the bill market. Avoid NCLT. High grade circulation coins pre-1960 would be my bet.
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 Posted 10/17/2015  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1935 or older bills in Au or better,
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 Posted 10/17/2015  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TomSwift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting choices. Basically low mintage coins in excellent condition?
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First of all, get something that you will enjoy in the interim. I recently bought a graded Canadian 1948 Silver Dollar that I needed for my collection. For the same price I could have bought a one ounce gold coin. Ten years from now the gold coin might be worth 25%-50% more or 25%-50% less. Who knows. The coin I bought likely won't have changed much in price based on past performance but I will enjoy it more than the single gold coin sitting in a drawer. I am not saying that gold is not a good investment, just that it is more volatile than a coin with a decent track record.

I did not buy my coin with my kids in mind nor as an investment, but it should be easy to sell down the road and not fluctuate too much in price. I am not saying you should buy 1948 silver dollars, it is just an example.

Someone might disagree with the following statement, but I think it is better to buy a $1000 coin well chosen rather than ten $100 lesser quality coins (or buy one $100 coin instead of ten $10 coins, whatever your budget is).

The better quality coin if chosen properly will retain its value better and will be easier for your posterity to dispose of than 10 poor coins. Many dealers have many average quality coins and won't pay a bunch for more duplicates they are already having trouble selling. A sought after, not too common item will interest them more as they will have potential buyers.
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If this were my decision, I'd first focus on a collection of higher grade silver dollars (not NCLT) but not necessarily the highest grade, where the buyer market becomes limited. The reason for that choice is I think silver $1 coins will remain most popular in terms of future collector appeal because they're the largest in terms of size and denomination.

Otherwise I'd choose pre-30s silver coins. The mintage is low for those in higher grades that have been protected from the passage of time. Old and rare collector items generally hold their value.

I agree it's a wise choice to buy quality over quantity, however depending on the amount of your spending outlay, the principle of maintaining value through diversification is "not putting all your eggs in one basket".
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Interesting thread so far. When you say, children thanking you, I assume you are looking for some kind of capital appreciation, instead of some large pot of money that is worth the same as when you started.

For example, if you purchased $100k of the X for X series, it will likely be worth $100k in 20 years. I am sure your children would be very happy with the $100k, but it would not have a very good return.

If you are doing this as a hobby and hoping for some kind of appreciation, I would be looking at high grade vicki quarters and half's. They have relatively low mintages and coins were actually circulated. In addition, some of rarer coins/grades mentioned above could appreciate nicely. I really like the 1858 20 cent (my favorite coin) and recently purchased a MS63 1938 Silver Dollar, so I hope SPP is right.

If you are doing this purely for a return, you are probably better off getting into a different asset class, coins require a lot of knowledge and time to do well. From a cost benefit standpoint, you would probably be better off with something different. I have been happy with my return, as this is a hobby, but if I was factoring in time spent, this would be tough to justify from a return on investment standpoint. I am happy that I really enjoy coins.



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Actually, I'm a stamp collector, not a coin collector. :) This was purely an academic exercise but I was curious about the market and such. What about Provincial coins? 10-20 years from now will they be in huge demand or remain stagnant?
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Some of the Newfoundland coins have really low mintages. The 1876 silver 5c and the 1880 half dollar had mintages of 20,000. Even if Newfoundland doesn't become the "hot new thing" it is hard to believe these coins won't be rising in value.
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The Canadian coin market is dead. The collector market for better coins is getting smaller hence demand has peaked (about 5 years ago)and is declining. The "Trend" prices for coins is so badly over inflated that rare coins are not moving at 50% of "Trends. With this I will predict that 100k worth of coins at today's market will be less than 100k in 10 years. There are a few coins which may hold their value (extreme top end)but not many IMO.
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I sadly tend to agree with the declining market as older collectors leave the hobby faster than new ones enter the hobby coupled with the Greater Depression grinding on.

The only people I see entering are more silver stackers that got interested via junk silver. That is good for some liquidity on the low end of the market, but does nothing for the high end of the market.
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I wonder if kids collect anything anymore? I know my stamp collection will never pay for itself but my nephews and nieces have zero interest in collecting anything.

I read somewhere that new coins (maybe less than 50 years old) are becoming very popular, since the older coins are so expensive, especially for young collectors. That's why you see so many ads for 2012 MS-65 and such.
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@ TomSwift - New (semi-young) collector here..and indeed interested in the newer coins, mint state. Not sure if its a trend, but surely more affordable.
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