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Counterfeit 1875 5 Cents

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I was delightfully tasked with looking over a co-workers coin collection that she inherited from her father. She is interested in selling the coins and wanted to know a rough estimate of what they might be worth. Since I collect 5 cent pieces, I was immediately drawn to this coin and another 1884 5 cent piece (which I will post pictures of tomorrow). Both are obvious counterfeits.

The 1875 weighs 1.83g and has a diameter of 15.2 mm. The edge is the height of a 10 cent piece of the same era. I have no way of telling exactly what it is made of but I suspect steel. Everything about the coin is wrong from lettering, numbering and effigy. The whole coin is porous and looks as though it has been artificially toned. I will hate to break it to her and was hoping on showing her this thread once I do. What do you think?



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The date is a dead giveaway here. I believe this coin was made using a spark erosion process which is giving it this look. I've seen an 1875-H 25C counterfeit that has the same look to it. Look forward to seeing the 1884.
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The date is a dead giveaway here.

The 5 in the date is unreal.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Here are the pictures of the 1884. roughly the same weight and dimensions as the 1875. Informed my colleague at work today. She was disappointed but trusted my judgement. I showed her pictures of her coins vs. pictures from the Charlton. Not all is lost though, the rest of the coins she had in her collection are all genuine IMO and there are some pretty nice coins including an 1880H 5 cents Newfie.


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The 4 in the date does not resemble any that were used for the real coin.
The reverse has only 21 leaves instead of 22.
The obverse is OBV2, 1884 should have OBV5.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Terrible fakes and I'm no expert but glad you pulled those ugly things out of her collection.
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Appears cast.
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They are not cast, they are struck.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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So...How long ago did she (or her dad) acquire these coins..?
I could have easily bought these coins without a clue.

Fakes just never cross my mind...I'll have to change that way of thinking...

Thanks again for bringing this info forward here..

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The date is just as bad on the 1884, but the rest of the coin is much more convincing than the 1875-H IMO. If these showed up on ebay, I'm sure some unsuspecting buyer would scoop them up (Don't get any ideas )

@DEVLEC: I would be very surprised if these coins were acquired more than 10 years ago, and I'm hoping he didn't pay for these series Key Dates thinking they were genuine, although the fact that these were found with a bunch of genuine coins in a somewhat serious collection doesn't give me much hope.
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The coins have been donated to me. I've taken pictures and studied them. I will now destroy them. I was hoping to hear if they were known fakes. If not, I would be open to sending them to the right person for further documentation ie. Mike Marshall or the like.
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Made by Hong Kong Replica coins.
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I would like to know when he got them as well, I commend you on your integrity in getting rid of them.
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