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1884 O Morgan VAM 48-A + Struck Through Cloth?

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 Posted 11/23/2015  7:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add eric ramsdell to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Found This coin this weekend and its a VAM 48A but it also looks like it has some sort of strike through any thoughts

1884-O-Morgan-VAM-48-A-+-Struck-Through-Cloth?

1884-O-Morgan-VAM-48-A-+-Struck-Through-Cloth?

1884-O-Morgan-VAM-48-A-+-Struck-Through-Cloth?

1884-O-Morgan-VAM-48-A-+-Struck-Through-Cloth?

1884-O-Morgan-VAM-48-A-+-Struck-Through-Cloth?

1884-O-Morgan-VAM-48-A-+-Struck-Through-Cloth?

1884-O-Morgan-VAM-48-A-+-Struck-Through-Cloth?
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 Posted 11/23/2015  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or planchet striations.
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Do planchet striations add any type of premium to morgans?
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None whatsoever.
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well atleaste its a r6 VAM worth the $35 I spent on it lol
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I don't think it's planchet striations, look at "dollar".

Planchet striations would not effect the strike and cause shallow devices
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Planchet striations are not the cause of a weak strike, they are an artifact. This planchet probably looked like a Ruffles potato chip prior to strike.
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I agree with dave. We are seeing an O mint coin so weakly struck that its not abolishing the striations on the blank planchet during the strike. I like it due the extreem look but you're not really going to get a premium for a severely understruck O mint morgan. Maybe a few bucks as an oddity to the right guy but that's about it. Cool coin to a new Orleans specific collector though for sure
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It is under weight?
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Could it have been struck through greese + have the striations because the wreath and dollar really look like they were struck through something
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Grease would block out the design. It maybe similar to the rolling lines we see on cents?
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Seems like roller marks would carry through all devices as is. Thinking strike through might not be so consistent.

Also the rim has some irregularities, is the reeding consistent along the edge? Thanks, Doug.

edit: weak strike maybe?
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See how the fields hardly show the lines but they are thick on the devices. That's because the dies were in contact with the planchet at the fields and the metal had to be pushed into the devices. Being such a shallow strike the metal didn't quite fill the devices all the way leaving the lines more pronounced while the added pressure of the dies touching the fields made the lines less pronounced.


New Orleans was bad at striking morgans well. They didn't use morgans as currency in the east or south much when they were making them so they were just under orders and pounding out bazillions of them only to mostly be put in staight into vaults and forgotten about so they had no pride in their work. Same for Philadelphia somewhat but they were better. Then we get to San Francisco and Carson City. They struck coins to be used in everyday excange in the west so for the most part full strike beautiful quality morgans were the rule
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I'm leaning towards roll marks coupled with weak strike. Or the prepared planchet was brushed or scuffed across a surface prior to strike.

But I don't think the planchet would have been as drastic as a ruffled potato crisp as one poster mentioned. I have seen planets damaged by a foreign metal object being pressed into the sheet silver when rolled. But this is both sides. It is odd. And it's not the dies, because the striations are incused. Also, I really just can't see it being a strike through.

Again, maybe the planchet, after prepared was scuffed with a brush or across the floor, on both sides? That's possible? Would explain it.
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