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I know that die breaks are common, but I was wondering, does anybody know why most of the lines go over the letters or profile or whatever is in its path? I ask because I have only found one where the line appears to stop at one letter and then come out the other side to then go under another letter etc. Image:  diebreak1.jpg84.98 KB Image: diebreak2.jpg75.35 KB |
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Pillar of the Community
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Without pics of the ones that stop at the letters ,,my guess is that they are die gouges or damage other than a crack or break.
on the die the letters are incuse if anything scratches the die and extends on both sides of a letter or device it appears that it goes under the letter when in reality it is on both sides of the letter on the field plain and does not affect the letter.
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I should have posted this with the original post but I had a hard time getting it to show up on the scan. Anyway here it is. Image: die.jpg53.66 KB Image: die2.jpg95.75 KB Edited by baktun20
01/24/2008 4:35 pm
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This is not uncommon for die cracks and I don't know how it occurs. But I"m sure someone here can describe type how this occurs.
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here are several reasons. It depends on the age, SIC, (wear), the relief with respect to the field, generally. The pictures indicate an early '82 reverse, when the new composition, etc came out. I have many of this type, and most are corner of Memorial to edge, ( and usually include a letter). You will find die coacks.breaks on each of the bottom corners, and the roof, or Penthouse corners Most of the "high relief" devices will give this rsult, and it is due to stress. Crudely put, but essencially what happens. What years are the coins shown? Odds are 1982/83.
Dick
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Actually of the first 4 there were 2 85's an 87 and a 93. Then the last one was an 85. I have been separating all my 82 and 83 pennies. The 83's I am going to weigh with hopes of finding a copper one(I know I am not holding my breath)and the 82's to search the different varieties. Anyway after looking closer at the coin where the line goes under the letters I think it is from the die being harshly polished since die breaks cant behave that way.
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01/25/2008 1:20 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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If you think like a die, the field is the outside part of a die. A scratch/gouge through field would still be not as deep as the devices on the die. The devices (letters/numbers/bust/Memorial is the deeper part of the die. The highest on a coin is the lowest part of a die.
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Pillar of the Community
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Living...that was exactly my thinking...I have rolls of those with cracks in those exact three places. Reverse, SW bottom, SE corner, and NE penthouse.
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The actual answer is the following:
1. These are die cracks, not die breaks. A die break is a raised area on a coin where a piece of the die became dislodged and fell out.
2. A crack in a die leaves a thin line the planchet can fill during the strike.
3. The planchet will fill only as deeply as the crack.
4. Deeper die cracks will show on top of devices.
5. Shallower die cracks will not.
It's really that simple.
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Agreed. You will find the crack on the SE corner is the first one to show, 90% of the time. SW woll be second. I have them with all four corners well represented. It is stress, and with minor relirf changes on the design, they dissapear. Note the later issues don't show this .
Dick
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True to a certain point, but it is possible with any issue. Different stress points in what appears to be the same design over the past 50 years because of periodic changes in relief...but any part of any design is subject to possible die cracks just because of the relief and the fact that they are dies minting coins.
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Posted 01/24/2008 2:10 pm
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