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That W ASE looks like a winnah!! The 2014 Annual dollar set (includes a W) is at 28320 ...2013 was 43150 the 2015 version is only at 20795 2015 W ASE has sold only 195k which is low for a burnished ...AND the dollar set is also way below normal mintage.. The dollar set WITH the W might be worth a peek.... Edited by Foxwoods Man
12/11/2015 4:35 pm
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I got one burnished and a proof with my saratoga order for my set. If the W is gonna possibly be a key I might have to grab a few more.
Fox, what's the mintage on the 2 lowest W's so far?
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Man, I keep trying to talk myself out of the U.S. Marshals gold coin... but now...
If I pull the trigger I can only swing one. Thoughts on Proof vs. UNC?
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OK...it took a bit of confusing research but I think I have it figured out. It's hard because some sites are way behind, some do not make it clear whether the mintage includes the $1 set W.... So...this is the best I could come up with. 2012: Mint site does not go back that far so the data says a tad over 226k and I will ASSUME this includes the $1 set...this is the lowest to date (2012). I remember back in 2013 the Mint stopped selling the W's at 178k which was definitely the key in the series...BUT...they kept the $1 set on sale which, of course, includes this "key" W. Sooooooo...the rush was on to buy the $1 set and sales jumped to over 43k which added to the 178 gave a real mintage of around 221k...now THIS is the lowest. 2014 total mintage went to just under 253k...meh! 2015 shows 194445 for the W and only 20795 for the $1 set = 215,240 which would make THIS the lowest BUT there are still a few weeks to go....not as much a "winnah" as I thought but that dollar set looks like a decent buy Maybe if we keep it quiet and order during the last week we can keep it the key of the W series.  For comparison the Proof W usually is around 900k or more Edited by Foxwoods Man
12/12/2015 07:59 am
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@CK: re: unc vs proof Marshals gold.
It really depends if you're buying for the design vs. rarity. The stylized eagle on the reverse really pops on the proof, which maybe can be had at under mint pricing in a few years if AU continues to trend downwards below $1K/oz. I noticed that the Medal of Honor and the US Army 2011 gold proofs are going for spot recently around $295, and the time of original sale in '11 they were way over $500 each.
There are 24,325 distributed of the proofs vs. only 6,403 of the unc. Both numbers are right around the usual numbers for gold commemoratives of the last few years, and the unc always trends a bit higher in resale as they scarcer than the proof. If you wanted to get a coin to hold I'd suggest the unc., even though I am not a fan of the satin sand blast finish on the unc. commems. IMO, they should be brilliant as the sand blast finish is not always uniform and may create unusual and unsightly hot spots.
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Thanks for the thoughts, Bizy. Since I don't plan to sell any of my collection, it's for the design.
Why do you think proofs sell so many more than uncirculated? Is it because the public has been taught over the years that "proof is far better than unc"?
Either way there's only a $5 difference between the two.
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Proof looks better is my guess
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There is just something about the proof format in gold, adds an extra sparkle of brilliance, I really don't know. A gold proof makes you feel like you have a real gold coin in your hand, whereas the dull finish of the uncs doesn't do it for me, and I suppose most people as well. If it's for your collection, the proof is the way to go, as the old-timey eagle is perfectly sized on the small coin as well as brilliantly executed. One of the best reverse designs from the Mint in a long while. It would've have been a no brainer to have replaced Mercanti's eagle with it on the ASE in honor of the 30th annie. Oh well. |
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There is just something about the proof format in gold... I agree. Still, the lower mintage is tempting, if only to give extra kick to the value of my collection when it's passed to someone else. Quote:It would've have been a no brainer to have replaced Mercanti's eagle with it on the ASE in honor of the 30th annie. Oh well. That would have been nice! Edited by CelticKnot
12/12/2015 5:55 pm
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I have been keeping record of the burnished ASE since 2012 so here are some numbers: 2012: 229,804 (including 27,300 Annual $1 set) 2013: 222,091 (including 43,150 Annual $1 set) 2014: 252,852 (including 28,320 Annual $1 set) 2015: 221,882 (including 22,137 Annual $1 set), as of Dec 13. I haven't get any of this year Annual $1 set yet, so I have to get some. |
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Other 2014 annual sets are very tempting too.....
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Thanks SA4H for that data....I'm keeping an eye on this one....probably will go for some more $1 sets
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2015: 221,882 (including 22,137 Annual $1 set), as of Dec 13. I am seeing 197,095 + 21466 for a total of 218,561 as of 12/13 |
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Fox, if the 2015 burnished beats 2013 do you really see a big enough premium over purchase being put on these to make it worth getting a few extras. The 2013's today only sell in the $50 range
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The numbers are low (still a couple of weeks to go) but I think that reflects the trend rather than an anomaly. Collectors will put their money in the current popular special item whatever that may be (presently not the W). The premium over spot continues to increase on collector products as spot declines...thus the "now" thing of making the 5 oz. ATB bullion a numismatic item with some 2015's selling for more than $50 over their original bullion pre-sale price because of low mintage...it is supposed to be only bullion so the mintage SHOULD be irrelevant. (I do buy these at pre-sale price which is STILL $5/oz over spot but better than the $16/oz. over with the P) Also the number of Mint products seem to be increasing and they are mostly higher price products/sets....the "special" set gets the press....the W's are routine. So I have adjusted my prior interest in this years' W...I don't see a major future demand developing....but...I could be wrong. Next year will have the edge stuff and collectors will go gaga and shoot those number through the roof... That said I did buy a couple more 2014 and 2015 $1 sets with the W just because I like them and have decent quantities of the $1 sets going back to 2007.... I read another forum where they are all over the gold spouse coins because of their low mintage (in the 2000's)...every new issue becomes a "key"...but I just think that mintage reflects a total lack of interest in the product rather than a future winner in the making... My opinions only.... |
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