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An Interesting "Coin Find" Story

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Back in the 1980s I had a friend who was into metal detecting, and he used to give me his old copies of the Treasure Hunting magazines that he subscribed to.

I remember an article in one of those magazines that was one of the most unusual coin finds I'd ever heard of.

In the last half of the nineteenth century, firearms were a part of daily life. Probably every male in this country (and a lot of females) carried one. You kinda HAD to, if you wanted to stay alive.

In addition to the six-gun worn on the hip and the revolver stuck in your belt, one of the most popular firearms was the short barreled double-barrel shotgun.
Outlaws carried them, peace officers carried them, and top-side stage coach riders carried them, hence the term "riding shotgun".

At some point back then, somebody found that shotgun shells could be "improved" by removing the lead pellets and replacing them with pennies.
A 12 gauge load of pennies whirring through the air at 1200 feet per second caused devastating damage...much like shrapnel.

The writer of the article was a cartridge collector, and was frequently going to gun shows looking for cartridges for his collection.

One day at a gun show, one of the bourse tables had a partial box of very old shotgun shells for sale at a good price, so it was purchased for his collection.

Upon close examination at home, it was found that one of the shells had apparently gotten damp and the paper shell had swollen to the point of splitting up the side.
Through the split could be seen the glint of copper, rather than the expected lead pellets.
Since the shell was damaged and no longer had significant collector value, it was decided to open it to see what was inside.
As the shell was opened, out onto the table spilled 12 shiny new Indian Head cents.

GUESS WHAT DATE!

Hint: It was the year after the Custer fight.

Edited for typo.
Edited by Firecom911
01/26/2008 9:00 pm
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1877! Can't think of a better year for finding indian head pennies!
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Holy Canoli!
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Oh wow...I'll have to pass the story along!
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That is a great story! Wouldn't firing pennies from a shot gun would be expensive?
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G'day, I hate to sound cynical about such a good story, and I can remember a scene from "Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid" where something similar is discussed ...
BUT -
would coins of that diameter (c19mm) fit into a 12-gauge (c18.5mm), with enough space for a case of some description to hold them together ?
would coins of that weight - 12 of them (4.67g each)would be about 56 grams - be ballistically feasible ? Such a heavy load would move slowly, resulting in very high pressure. Increasing the quantity of propellant would move them along, but add more to the pressure, and thus to the possibility of a barrel failure.
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 Posted 01/26/2008  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dillon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thats incredible! does it say how much he bought the shells for?
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The article didn't specify 12 gauge, but Peter is right. Pennies wouldn't fit in a 12 gauge.

Had to be 10 gauge.

10 gauge is still around but isn't seen much today. Used to be more popular. There used to be 16 gauge, 24 gauge and 28 gauge which I understand are now obsolete.

Dillon,

Article didn't say what the shells cost. The most expensive collectors' cartridges that I personally know of are about $100 per cartridge.

I'd be more interested in knowing what was in the OTHER shells in that box!
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I'm with Peter Thomas. These coins would for one thing be a mess being so close to Sulfur that long. Remember the first gunpowders were composed of Potasium Nitrate, Sulfur and Charcoal. 75/15/10%'s
The Potasium would have provided ample Oxgen for the reaction. Next the coins would have to have been laying flat or they wouldn't have even gone through the barrel of a 10Ga. If two of the coins were to jam the following explosion would rip the gun and the person firing it to pieces. Coins coming out ot the end of the barrel would not go more than a few inches before flying all over the place possibly hitting friends, buddies, yourself, etc. then there is the substantial cost of such a venture. Don't forget a cent a hundred years ago would have purchased lots and lots of ammo. It would have purchased lots and lots of small nails that would have done a massive amount of damage compared to a few cents.
I suspect that story is just one of the many, many made up stories people tell just to tell a story.
If I were to make up such a story I would have said slices of Copper that appeared to look like a penny.
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Interesting story.

I'd think there must have been cheaper alternatives to pennies. My dad could get two hotdogs, a bottle of pop ( soda ), and take in movie for 25 cents, when he was a kid in the mid 1930s. What would a few cents buy in In the last half of the nineteenth century?

Who knows?
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call Mythbusters :)
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Waoh sweet
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