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Hello All, Ive got this follis and am looking for the right RIC numbers to put on the card for in my coinalbum.   |
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Constantine II, I assume. I'll be curious to see the results of this one. Obviously a PROVIDEN_TIAE CAESS reverse, but I am having a hard time telling what the letter is to the left of the crescent in the mintmark...A "P"? An "R"? Or a "Q" like this RIC VII 200?:  Edited by Kamnaskires
12/13/2015 09:37 am
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Looks like Bob beat me to it.
I agree it's Constantine II RIC VII Ticinum 200 rated at R4.
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That is indeed very rare.. Are you sure? I had one here on coincommunity last time little different though but that one was very common.
I have no idea what the approximatly value about an roman piece with R4 would indicate.. As my main collection is medieval times.
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As you know the rarity scale really doesn't mean very much. Though it's nice to know that a coin is less common than others. This example is well struck with excellent detail, well centered, and has a very nice patina.
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Zach Beasley (beastcoins.com) actually has the coin I posted as an R5...either way (R4 or R5), apparently quite rare with this mintmark. Congrats, Vince!
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My thoughts are that it is a " P " crescent T in exergue. It has a vertical and horizontal line with a D loop attached, I just cant see it being a Q with those features. I don't know if this effects the rarity, still a very nice coin  |
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Bob, for the gate issues from Ticinum the letter on the left is the numeral for the officina, which followed Roman cardinals rather than Greek. The choices were P(rima) S(ecunda) T(ertia) Q(uarta). Does that help pin it down?
Incidentally, there is a subtle difference between the reverses of the two coins show above. There are actually 4 subtypes of this reverse at Ticinum which are not listed in RIC. Zach's coin is a type 1 with a top row of dots in plain blocks and a bottom row flat extended base. The OP coin is a type IV with a top row of dots in blocks with arched sides, and a bottom row double line flared base. These findings are consistent with what my own limited study is showing for the products of officinae Q and P respectively, for coins of Constantine II. My notes show two examples for P like the OP coin, and two examples for Q like Zachs. I also have three type I specimens for officina S. I have no examples for officina T for Constantine II.
A word of caution on the RIC VII rarity scales. Those numbers relate specifically to the relative frequency with which each type turned up in a select body of large, often public, collections, as noted in the catalog introduction. How that correlated with the general marketplace was not tested by the catalog editors, but was presumed in the marketplace to be rather close barring any large change in the numbers of coins available. However, with the "Balkan Explosion" of newly excavated material, which ended about a decade ago, the tables of relative scarcity have shifted for a large number of coins. While the gates from Ticinum are all on the scarce side, the frequencies in the museum collections do not reflect the greater abundance of examples.
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12/13/2015 3:30 pm
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The choices were P(rima) S(ecunda) T(ertia) Q(uarta). Well, S and T seem to be out in this case. If it is a P, I would expect it to look more like the P in PROVIDENTIAE, with serifs visible. In any event, is there even an RIC number for these legends, with a P-crescent-T mintmark? I don't think I spotted one.  |
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is there even an RIC number for these legends Yes, Ron gave it above. All of this is RIC VII #200 for Ticinum. |
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There are actually 4 subtypes of this reverse at Ticinum which are not listed in RIC. Zach's coin is a type 1 with a top row of dots in plain blocks and a bottom row flat extended base. The OP coin is a type IV... Ah, your edit helps clarify things for me. Same RIC number, but different subtype. Thanks, Irbguy, for the great info. I am out of my depth here! |
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Thanks alot for this very clear explenations all!
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