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1979 Major Error Nickel

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Has anyone seen this before?
Seller says error caused by something sticking to roller.
If this was the case, how would it be on both sides?

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I've never seen that before. How can the dealer assure that it isn't PMD?
I can think of any number of ways that could happen post mint.
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 Posted 12/17/2015  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, it looks like there is some elements of the design in the "canyon? (not sure how to describe it). Interesting piece, not sure if it is real or not.
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If the damage to the planchet was pre strike, I would not expect the edges of the "error" to have such a sharp change. I think it is PMD, but perhaps a planchet got trapped in a piece of wire like metal and it got struck though on both sides?
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As mentioned, some of the design are in the incise, most likely PMD
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PMD..IMO
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I also think that it is PMD.
I can't think of any possible it happened at the Mint.
A good example of buyer beware.

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Even if there was a rolling imperfection as stated, I would think that the Flow of Metal during the striking process would not end up making the so called error
look like a perfectly straight line through the coin.
PMD !
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PMD. Two sided planchet defects like that just don't happen.
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A foreign object would have been stuck to the roller and left this deep impression in the coin.


Is one roller or two rollers used?

If one, impossible to be on both sides right?

If two, there would have to be a foreign object stuck to both, in perfect sync with each other to come out dead opposite each other on the resulting coin right?
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Post mint damage. The anything caught in rolling of the nickel strips would be subsequently modified by the upset mill (which forms the rims). The only way to preserve such an element is if the collar die was absent or not engaged. Clearly this coin was struck with the collar die, and there is no dovetailing in of the rim.

Post mint damage, final answer Regis....
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definitely PMD. Tried to figure how it could have happened at the Mint; ran out of scenarios.
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Junk. Hammer and chisel.
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I Agree with PMD
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Had that coin been posted here first the seller (also CCF member) would have known that its PMD. Perhaps he believes otherwise I dont know, but the coin was on ebay before he joined CCF, I think.
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I tried the link, this was the message I got:

"This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing."
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