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colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 12/17/2015 6:47 pm Looking to do a die study with the the well known California Collector possibly for ANS/CNL publication to follow the works of Kays and Kleeberg. If you have one post it - give mm (diameter) and weight in grams if you have these tools. Let me know if its silvered or no silvering in your opinion. If you think its cast based on coin ring give this also ... John Lorenzo United States Report this Post to the Staff

realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 12/17/2015 7:37 pm John, you're going to give to yourself a headache with this one! As compared to the Kleeberg types, I would think the homeland issue shield (and then portrait or "head") pistareens would be extremely difficult to map out. There are SOOOOO many different types that are seen, and most were/are out of Spain and not all that well exposed to the American eye. Report this Post to the Staff
colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 12/17/2015 7:57 pm The Kleeberg types are maxed out at ~140 varieties since it was started in 1998 (final Part 3 group listing in my new book due out late 2016). There is a small niche of collectors in C4 that collect these or that have a 1-2 dozen or so each ... even if we print 100 varieties ... let's see what happens ... remember a lot were cut and melted. Just looking at whole examples. Still you may be right ... preliminary evidence seems to say otherwise. Note the ANS has only four examples whereas they have about 70 Kleeberg's. Also we only review 100% intact specimens (full date, mint mark and assayer). From 1707-1771 only. Did I say only? LOL. JPL Report this Post to the Staff
colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 12/18/2015 08:29 am NEW York International Coin Show - Will be there January 9 from 10 AM (opening of the bourse) - 3 PM. Bring your counterfeit CROSS pistareens. Will have some GNL CD sets for sale. Special NYITL price ($5). The Mexican Numismatic Association cancelled their talk at 3PM so I am switching to the David Bowers talk on American Medals at 12 Noon in the Lexington Suite. You can catch me here before/after this 12-1 PM talk. John Lorenzo Numismatist United States Report this Post to the Staff
colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 12/20/2015 09:59 am Thanks for the few who have responded privately. Fell free to post images privately to me or here. JPL Report this Post to the Staff
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