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How To Spot A Cleaned Indian Cent?

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 Posted 01/27/2008  9:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Copper Feather to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As I begin collecting Indian cents, can you guys give me pointers on spotting coins that have been cleaned?
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 Posted 01/27/2008  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, obviously polished is one clue (taken from a current auction)
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When the fields are bright, but there's an outline of patina around the features...watch out!
Or a level of wear that does not seem to jive with the brightness of the coin.
And obviously, with a loupe you'll see more telltale signs than just this pic.
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 Posted 01/27/2008  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suggest you look at a selection of cleaned coins. One good place to look is completed Teletrade (teletrade.com) auctions. Without a free account you can search their last 60 days of sales. Just use the search parameters of 1865-1908 (if you use 1909 you'll get Lincolns too), all grades, and for grading companies just leave the ANACS boxed check and uncheck all the others--since only ANACS will slab problem coins. Choose 'small cents' as your denomination and off you go.

In the last 60 days Teletrade has sold 13 IHCs with cleanings, and a bunch of others with problems you'll want to watch out for as you are collecting. I really recommend you try this as it will be an eye-opener.

HABIB
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 Posted 01/28/2008  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Polished and harsh cleaning is easy. Dipped and retoned (NT or AT) is a little harder, especially if done by an expert.
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 Posted 01/28/2008  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do a search on CC. There have been a number a threads discussing this and showing good photos.
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 Posted 01/28/2008  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If any coin is cleaned, is nice and shinning, has a lot of wear it is truely noiticeable. If it is polished it will shine like new and have wear anyway. Some cleanings are done with a brush and leave lines across the coins. The problems come with coins that were only slightly cleaned and some time ago so now have attained a new old age appearance. Many coins used to be cleaned by collectors a long time ago since it was not considered a good collection if the coins were dirty. The usual cleaning back then was mostly with either spit or baking soda and water solutions. About 40 or 50 years ago I used to clean every coin that way. It was the thing to do back then. Those coins today are difficult to detect.
The main thing to look for is any coin that appears newesh and still has wear shown has been cleaned.
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One of the most deceptive and difficult skills that you need to gain with Indians is detecting what a "good" color is of the coin. This is easier for circulated coins based on the advice above. However, for uncirculated coins this can be a bit tricky. What's the right shades of red? The only way you can really learn this is by experience. Buddy up with a dealer who does a lot with Indian cents and ask him to show you.
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 Posted 01/28/2008  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gene Carr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the proper ratio of spit to baking soda?
There is this dude name of Rick Snow. I think he knows a few things about Injun Pennies. He wrote a chapter about "Good" cleaning in RED BOOKs, A Guide Book of FLYING EAGLE and Indian Head cents.

Buy and read and take this book along as you collect IHC and you will avoid costly disasters.
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Thanks guys for all the advice. It's all very helpful information as I prep myself to start my collection.

Gene, I have seen that book before and do plan on buying it.

Thanks again!
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